Wireless Monitor For When Baby Falls Asleep In Car?

moomoomama27

notanewuser wrote: »

Ah yes, research. That's sometimes flawed, you know.

http://sarahockwell-smith.com/2013/05/21/bedsharing-sids-why-we-have-it-all-wrong/

Yet research was just a part in my overall decision not to co sleep. When I research I don't tend to pick the first article that google throws at me, I take my time, try and pick a good variety of sources and then make an informed decision taking into account the opinions of others too.

notanewuser

moomoomama27 wrote: »

Yet research was just a part in my overall decision not to co sleep. When I research I don't tend to pick the first article that google throws at me, I take my time, try and pick a good variety of sources and then make an informed decision taking into account the opinions of others too.

I didn't google for this article, and also did lots of research and thinking about what the best thing to do was. I actually shared this article on FB last year, as it very clearly shows up significant issues with the research used to inform these particular guidelines. There are some key points missed out!

I also didn't give DD any baby rice/porridge (or indeed any specific baby food) having fully researched the issues. I felt no need to extend her sleeps between feeds because they happen that way for a reason. I researched vaccinations and medications too. And I trusted my instincts too (still do).

moomoomama27

notanewuser wrote: »

I didn't google for this article, and also did lots of research and thinking about what the best thing to do was. I actually shared this article on FB last year, as it very clearly shows up significant issues with the research used to inform these particular guidelines. There are some key points missed out!

I also didn't give DD any baby rice/porridge (or indeed any specific baby food) having fully researched the issues. I felt no need to extend her sleeps between feeds because they happen that way for a reason. I researched vaccinations and medications too. And I trusted my instincts too (still do).

Me too!

I think you need yo remember though that information even 10 years ago with re: to baby safety, co sleeping, vaccines etc... Was very limited unlike today. So there really is no need for parents to be making crappy choices with regards to any of the above.

GobbledyGook

Carmina-Piranha wrote: »

Where your car actually is is probably a factor in whether people think it's safe. For me, the car would have been parked in the street next to a busy crossroads where there were accidents, and people speeding or just driving stupidly because it was a straight stretch of road where people liked to race or speed. Even when we managed to park directly outside our house it still wasn't safe.

That's all part of parenting isn't it; balancing the risks in your specific circumstances. Like lostinrates I could leave a child in the car and it'd probably be safer than leaving them in the lounge. My kitchen opens out onto the driveway. There are electric gates at the end of the drive so no traffic or people passing by. The lounge, on the other hand, is up some stairs and round a corner. So whereas for us leaving a child in the car for a few moments could be a good decision (as opposed to the lounge) for you it wouldn't be as the risk from other cars is too high.

It's much like co-sleeping. Done properly I think it is marginally safer, however I'm a little overweight so I made the decision not too because that is one of the factors that make co-sleeping less safe. Also the old 'leave them in the car while you pay for fuel or not' debate. With one child in a capsule style seat I took them inside. With a toddler/multiple children it's safer to leave them in the car in full view. My cousin leaves 3 children in the car and takes her car seat escape artist with her because that's the safest option when there are no pay at pump options.

Two of my three were breastfed. One was bottle fed and weaned early. Now they are older it's very apparent what the issues were because they are still there), but at the time getting any sort of calories into a child who was losing far too much weight was better than striving for the ideal of exclusive BF'ing.

I think that's all you can do. Read the research and then do your very best by your individual child.

plumpmouse

Tygermoth wrote: »

Earlier in this thread there was comments regarding trust your instincts. As a mother you know best.

Sorry that is great if you are informed and conscientious. However in all the news links that were provided I bet the mothers that left those babies in the car would argue tooth and nail they did the right thing. (it was only for a second, they were fine, it wasn't that hot blah blah blah)

When i worked medical front-line i was horrified what people would allow and do to children thinking it was fine using the age old excuse 'it never hurt me when i was a kid' smoking when pregnant, drug taking or drinking while pregnant, no seatbelts in car, poor nutrition (in one notable case the causing rickets, yes rickets! because the child would not eat anything but McDonalds and they didn't want to get into an argument) sleeping in cars, prams at the end of the garden. whiskey to help grumbling babies with teething. butter on burns.

Ignorance knows no race, age or level of education.

You think you know it all that's fine so does the lass that I saw yesterday with a babe in her arms who would not be advised that leaving her child alone while she popped next-door for s cuppa or to the shops was neglectful. 'cos he was just sleeping' and the dog was in the house to warn her of any intruders.

Hand on my heart you asked her is she was a conscientious and responsible parent she would have told you she was, she knows without a shadow of a doubt she is, she would not even entertain the thought that she might not be 100% and totally centred on her child's needs.

According to you whole nations are ignorant then.

It is quite common in Scandinavian countries for babies to sleep in their pram in the garden (or wherever they are -outside cafes, outside school whilst parents watch their other children in assembly at school)

When I lived over there I was considered strange as my child slept in a cot indoors.

Guidance differs the world over and our guidance isn't really superior to anyone else's. Do you really think every Scandinavian parent is an ignorant/bad parents simply because they don't adhere to your guidance/standards

Life really isn't always black and white and sometimes we need look past our own situations and understand that.

Fair I never left my children in cars alone even when getting petrol. I know many people who have though.

I think risks are perceived differently by people and no one's perception is better/worse. The risk of a child being injured in a car on a drive is probably very small and certainly less than the risk we take everyday when we take our child in our cars. And if anything ever happened parents would have to live with that but things can happen anywhere even to a child in a cot sleeping.

I also think if social services would become involved in a child being left to nap on a driveway in a car that it just shows how ridiculous the system is. Especially considering the high profile abuse cases that have had tragic endings that social services haven't been handled properly.

notanewuser

In 2011 I took my then 4 month old DD to the UAE, where it proved extremely hard to find a car seat to hire for her. Why? Because over there older children go in the back (without seatbelts) and you get children go on knees in front (no seatbelt) while newborns go on the dashboard. Yes, seriously. Nobody wears seatbelts, and hospitals now give new parents a car seat when they leave with their newborns in the hope that it will change behaviour. :eek:

QuackQuackOops

moomoomama27 wrote: »

Me too!

I think you need yo remember though that information even 10 years ago with re: to baby safety, co sleeping, vaccines etc... Was very limited unlike today. So there really is no need for parents to be making crappy choices with regards to any of the above.

Ah yes, but the advice changes according to what research shows at the time.
There are 1000s of research projects at any given time that can 'prove' points. Which ever research can shout the loudest and bend the ears of the people in power becomes the 'norm' for a given period of time.

A lot of research and advice is not simply for the good of the people but is a more complex matter of politics, money and the economy. Research is paid for, as is advice.

Take cot death as one example. Many years ago it was research and proven that babies were found to be more at risk if they were put to sleep on their fronts. Many years later, a louder voice came along and disproved the first voice by saying "we can show different" and then advice changed to babies should be placed on their backs.

In more years to come, something else will come along that the government will adopt as 'current trends'

In reality we don't need any of this conflicting advice or trends for the moment. All we need is to use our own common sense and instincts as women for 1000s of years have used.

Advice and research is there to manipulate the general public into thinking one way...(its not there to actually help)...because someone is benefiting monetarily.

mountainofdebt

notanewuser wrote: »

In 2011 I took my then 4 month old DD to the UAE, where it proved extremely hard to find a car seat to hire for her. Why? Because over there older children go in the back (without seatbelts) and you get children go on knees in front (no seatbelt) while newborns go on the dashboard. Yes, seriously. Nobody wears seatbelts, and hospitals now give new parents a car seat when they leave with their newborns in the hope that it will change behaviour. :eek:

wasn't it a 'That's Life' campaign that started the whole baby/child seat thing here?

meer53

I rest my case as far as "research" goes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield

How many people followed this advice ?

mountainofdebt

meer53 wrote: »

I rest my case as far as "research" goes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield

How many people followed this advice ?

That's an excellent example of the authorities getting their knickers in a twist and not looking at the bigger picture.

At the time (and perhaps even now) people weren't saying I don't want my child vaccinated they were saying I don't want my child having the triple vaccine.

But the authorities weren't having any of that - it was either their way nor nothing so parents were forced into a choice - run the (now discredited) risk of the triple vaccine causing problems or not vaccinated......unless of course you could afford to go private and have the single vaccines.