Cheaper to use kettle and electric shower instead of immersion???

annoye

macman wrote: »

If he can really find a 'person' (I won't dignify them with the term 'sparky') to wire, connect and test a dedicated shower circuit for a tenner, then that would be a shower that I wouldn't want to venture anywhere near.
The RCD alone could cost more than the budget you have suggested, so you clearly have no idea what is involved. A realistic budget would be around £300 using a budget shower.

you having a laugh?? lol... i have a property i renovated and rent myself..... the wiring you run yourself, the shower can be wired up by yourself, and just checked within 30seconds by an electrician... just need it wiring into the fuse board by an electrician...my brother in law is one so cash in hand job 10quid...

my mate (future landlord) also has an electrician that does his electrics on the side cash in hand job, but he lives 50miles away... but will be at the property anyway looking at heaters etc.. its a 5minute job connecting the wire to the board.... admittedly the wire is a bit expensive think i paid £20 for 3or 5 metres of the stuff 2 years ago... but thats still only £80... no where near your £300, lol, can buy a whole bathroom suite for near enough that price

annoye

macman wrote: »

Plus the cost of til.ing, shower curtain etc. as required.
If the hot tank is properly insulated it will stay warm for hours; if it isn't then a tank jacket is about a tenner.

just noticed the edit... he is tiling the lot anyway, and needs a curtain etc... it didnt have any kind of shower previously, and he had the mixer lying around so thought he would just put that on.... He may need to look into it now anyway as pressure is poor and he thought he could put a pump on it but has been told he may not be able to with his current cylinder

but anyway, i think my question has been answered... it is cheaper from the hot water side to use a kettle and electric shower, but its not really worth the savings doing so....

thanks for everyones input

HappyMJ

annoye wrote: »

hi sorry, the 3 hours to get a full tank was just taken from other posts on which people would say it takes 2-3hours to heat the tank from cold. I have no actual idea of how long a tank would take to heat up... ive never lived with an immersion only system, i just know people say how dear it is and to avoid at all costs... unless it can be ran on economy 7... I live in a shared house at the moment so all bills get paid by the landlord,he would moan if i put the immersion on when the gas boiler would break and say its costing him a fortune... but now im moving into a flat, my outgoings are going to double.... i just want it to be as less of an increase as possible. So if its going to cost me double or triple to use immersion, then it seemed pointless doing so. But judging from the repsonses it seems that realisticly its only going to be about 10quid a month dearer to use the immersion?

Closer to £2 maybe £3 a month more and only in the summer...but again that's just a guess. My base electric usage (figured out from when the boiler was inoperative) was around £10 a month (around 1,000kWh per year - about 1 hour of the immersion per day @ 12p/kWh - plus standing charges plus heating and cooking (as all that's on gas).

If you want to find savings then you need to look at heating.

That's very expensive to run. An insufficiently insulated property with an inefficient heating regime could cost you easily £10 per DAY never mind per month.

Andy_WSM

annoye wrote: »

lol it'll cost him 50ish for a shower, and 10er to get it connected up to the mains... if the immersion heater goes wrong and theres no hot water, the shower atleast gives me hot water to live on, until he could come and investigate the situation...as oppose to forking out a call out charge and extra labour cost to get someone in to repair the job next day as he wouldnt be able to do it that soon....

Absolute cobblers to be honest.

Any decent electric shower that gives sufficient flow in the Winter has got to be knocking on for £100. The cable from the fuse board to the pull cord switch is likely £20 or more. The pull cord switch at least another £10. Assuming the existing fuse board is substantial enough to run an electric shower, then another £15 for an MCB, but just as likely a second board with RCD & MCD will need fitting to comply with current regs, so there's another £50 at least.

THEN you can get someone to do final connections, test and certify.

You asked the question " Cheaper to use kettle and electric shower instead of immersion???" - I gave an accurate answer, but this whole thread seems to be about you justifying having an electric shower and as you're not getting the answer you wanted you are spending a lot of time telling people their accurate answers are wrong.

Suit yourself, your house, have an electric shower - it's convenient, but doubtful any cheaper, especially if you ignore the capital costs I and others have outlined. In my opinion, having an electric shower to justify not having a tank of hot water available means the convenience is outweighed by having to boil the kettle whenever a turn of a tap should have done the job. How do you wash your hands after taking a dump? Cold water? Ewwww...

HappyMJ

Andy_WSM wrote: »

How do you wash your hands after taking a dump? Cold water? Ewwww...

Turn the electric shower on? You can also wash your backside at the same time and save on paper.

Nada666

McKneff wrote: »

If you shower when you get home from work, why on earth do you need to shower again before going to work next morning.


Once a day is enough for any job I would say,

Not everyone does not have sex. Not everyone drives a car or rides public transport to work. Not everyone is sat on their backsides typing on a computer in an air-conditioned office. Not everyone has a servant to carry their shopping bags.

Perhaps you do not live in Britain and have not noticed the weather here. Or perhaps you are misinterpreting others generous respecting of your body space.

annoye

Andy_WSM wrote: »

Absolute cobblers to be honest.

Any decent electric shower that gives sufficient flow in the Winter has got to be knocking on for £100. The cable from the fuse board to the pull cord switch is likely £20 or more. The pull cord switch at least another £10. Assuming the existing fuse board is substantial enough to run an electric shower, then another £15 for an MCB, but just as likely a second board with RCD & MCD will need fitting to comply with current regs, so there's another £50 at least.

THEN you can get someone to do final connections, test and certify.

You asked the question " Cheaper to use kettle and electric shower instead of immersion???" - I gave an accurate answer, but this whole thread seems to be about you justifying having an electric shower and as you're not getting the answer you wanted you are spending a lot of time telling people their accurate answers are wrong.

Suit yourself, your house, have an electric shower - it's convenient, but doubtful any cheaper, especially if you ignore the capital costs I and others have outlined. In my opinion, having an electric shower to justify not having a tank of hot water available means the convenience is outweighed by having to boil the kettle whenever a turn of a tap should have done the job. How do you wash your hands after taking a dump? Cold water? Ewwww...

i asked the question, and in return i got mocking answers to do with rubbing stones together and washing clothes in a river...... the answer to my question is yes, it is cheaper to USE a shower and kettle, over an immersion heater...what i got from you was like asking someone is it cheap to run a BMW and then you going off telling me how expensive they are to buy... its not the question that was asked. And whats wrong with using cold water to wash your hands?? the soap kills germs lol you only use hot water for comfort, unless you wash your hands in boiling water

matelodave

Why don't you try just turning the immersion on for an hour a day so that you've got hot water when you get up and have your shower and then see how much you've got left at the end of the day for your second shower. You don't need to keep the tank hot all day or all night, just heat enough water for what you need.
We heat our tank to 45 degrees once a day between 7-8 in the morning (it takes just under 2kwh with our heatpump) and both of us get a shower out of it in the morning, do a bit of washing up in the evening, a lick and a promise before bedtime and can get another shower each the next day although the last one is getting a bit cool but still adequate.
Reduce the amount of water you use by having shorter showers and fit a flow restrictor or economy shower head. 10 minutes at a flow of 15 litres a min will use 150litres of water. 5 minutes at 7.5 litres a min = 37.5 litres saving 75% of the water and thus reducing your heating costs considerably.
Make sure your tank is well insulated (put another jacket over the one that's already there and add some pipe insulation over the piping around the cylinder and you'll reduce the heat loss even more.
The ultimate would be to turn the water off whilst you are soaping yourself and just turn it on to to wet & rinse yourself - that's what we do in the caravan and we can easily get two showers from our 8 litre hot water unit mixed with about the same of cold.

Andy_WSM

annoye wrote: »

...what i got from you was like asking someone is it cheap to run a BMW and then you going off telling me how expensive they are to buy...

Because the running cost of anything should include the capital cost and the ongoing maintenance.

macman

annoye wrote: »

you having a laugh?? lol... i have a property i renovated and rent myself..... the wiring you run yourself, the shower can be wired up by yourself, and just checked within 30seconds by an electrician... just need it wiring into the fuse board by an electrician...my brother in law is one so cash in hand job 10quid...

my mate (future landlord) also has an electrician that does his electrics on the side cash in hand job, but he lives 50miles away... but will be at the property anyway looking at heaters etc.. its a 5minute job connecting the wire to the board.... admittedly the wire is a bit expensive think i paid £20 for 3or 5 metres of the stuff 2 years ago... but thats still only £80... no where near your £300, lol, can buy a whole bathroom suite for near enough that price

No I'm certainly not laughing. No RCD protection on a shower drawing anything up to 40 amps then? No responsible sparky will sign off someone else's work as their own; how can you test and certify an install in '30 seconds'? A shower circuit is notifiable work, but that doesn't seem to bother you.
If you want to risk your own life with a bodged-up shower install, fine, but what about your tenant?