Holidays/Holiday pay advice?

FBaby

Because I'm not one to be walked over, I'm probably the type of employee an employer hates and that's fine with me. I am never sick, I am never late, I go in do my days work without messing about, in return I expect to get what is rightfully mine, I do not get the logic behind standing back and getting walked over which will and does happen regardless of laws and regulations and if all this results in me getting the sack then so be it.

Well then you should be a valued employee. However, it all depends how you go about pointing out your rights. No one likes to be accused directly or not of walking all over innocent parties.

I've had about 5/6 jobs in my life time, only 1 didn't mess about and did things by the book, even if I look at my mrs she has had 2 jobs both have messed her about

Well here you go, it's standard practice, so might as well work with it rather than against it. In the end, it is you and your mrs who will suffer the consequences of going from one job to another constantly hoping for better conditions whilst your CV makes you less and less employable.

James_B.

falko89 wrote: »

Because I'm not one to be walked over, I'm probably the type of employee an employer hates and that's fine with me.

But it's clearly not fine with you, as it leads you to having a string of short-lived jobs that you don't like, in each of which you seem to have a miserable time.

It really does sound like you try to be as awkward as possible, under the guise of not being "pushed around", while what you are really doing is just being difficult enough that everyone hates you.

It's a terrible, terrible strategy. No-one pushes me around at work either, but that does not mean that I won't compromise on things when it's necessary. Being the worky-ticket that you seem determined to be is a recipe to poverty, failure, and resentment.

Why would anyone choose this route?

theoretica

falko89 wrote: »

I've had about 5/6 jobs in my life time, only 1 didn't mess about and did things by the book, ...

So actually, you don't have much experience working for a good employer. Especially with a small employer like your current one you want to make it really easy for them to be a good employer, don't expect them to take all the weight of doing so. So, as suggested ask for your holidays but don't demand your first choice time - work with them to find the best time for you both. When do your kids' holidays start? Perhaps you could have a few days off at the start of the holidays but go back immediately afterwards when other colleagues are off? Or at half term?

As you had unpaid holiday in the summer they might want to pay you for this time, turning it into paid holiday, instead of giving you more time off. If this would be acceptable to you then you could suggest this.

getmore4less

Stumbled on this looking for something else.

http://www.employmentcasesupdate.co.uk/site.aspx?i=ed4645

Not read it all but is an older example(extreme) of an ET case dealing with not being paid for satutory holidays.

no where near 100% compatible but will give an idea of how these things get dealt with.

sure there will be other examples around to draw from.

getmore4less

Stumble on this looking for something else.

Might be worth letting the others know they might have claim for take/unpaid holidays(which won't fall into the use or lose)

http://www.employmentcasesupdate.co.uk/site.aspx?i=ed15999

getmore4less

You must make every effort you can to give the employer a chance to let you take the holiday

Do this in writing emails is o as long as you make sure the replies are also email not just verbal
repeat if they try verbal, hi boss can you clarify that the request to take holiday on X is not suitable please advise what alternative would be suitable.

Build up your evidence

If the place is this busy it needs more people, with the numbers 1 extra person to cover holiday and sick would probably be about right.


You need the evidence to back up any future claim even if you feel you need to keep your job for now.




Forget you history of normally getting 2 weeks at Xmas that is not normal.

getmore4less

falko89 wrote: »

So thought I would bump this as we are hitting Christmas shortly,
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So I asked my boss, I said I'd like to book holidays at Christmas what way does it work, He said "Ah we are quite far ahead at the moment so if this keeps up we "Might" get 1 week off," so that just took the wind out of my sails about getting 2 weeks,

I forgot to comment on this.....

Sounds like bull, what's the busy/forward/seasonal business visibility?

Given they employ part time students, "holiday" cover for holidays should be a doddle.


You could try a different strategy( to the I always get my 2 weeks at xmas)

"are you going to pay holiday pay or not?"

or just start booking the odd 1/2 or full day to test the water.

barryboris

Lioness_Twinkletoes wrote: »

Your posting history. Anyone who has that much trouble with multiple employers needs to look a little closer to home as to the reasons why.

I don't think you're quite as hard done by as you make out - I think a lot of the problem lies with you and your unreasonable expectations. This latest whinge demonstrates that. Why not just get on with your job, keep your head down and let the issue of leave at Christmas slide for now? You are going to end up unemployed again and a bit of time off isn't worth it.

Pick your battles carefully when you are in a stronger position. Or keep making trouble and telling us how hard done by you are. Your call.

What an absolutely pathetic post. "Keep his head down and let the issue of leave slide..?" You mean let his employer walk all over him and possible/probably not receive his legally entitled 28 days holiday...

Don't be so absurd, and maybe also learn some manners.

falko89

OK an update, I enquired today. I just said that I was reading over my contract and it said I had to use my holiday before the end of the year or I loose them and by my counting I have will have 12 days to take before the end of the year, the response I got was "Don't worry about that, they will roll over to next year"

I left it at that as didn't know what the best next move should be, firstly If I want my holidays to roll over that should be my choice not the firms, then we have the breach of contract, then we have the work time regulations. They are not even giving half the statutory amount, it basically amounts to the bank holidays, sure a day or 2 short you'd let slide but not 18 days.

So no I did not ask for holidays but I have asked twice regarding them so its obvious my intentions its also obvious there intentions

James_B.

So you've still not asked if you can take them this year then?

Why not? It seems, from what you've posted, that they have no idea that you'd be happy to take them earlier than Christmas.