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SIPs and Blue Badge (Our error)

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  • Redx
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    ok, sorry , I will change my replies to reflect IPC and IAS as I hadnt checked that part properly as I was dealing with the BB and landowner issues mainly
  • no worries Redx - it was not directed at you but a general statement :)
  • mcrterry
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    Redx thats a really interesting point re the EA. I have emailed the parent company today but if they tell me to get gone I'll reply with the information you have provided me so thanks very much.
    By the way whats IPC and does this have any baring?
  • Redx
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    edited 13 July 2014 at 1:55PM
    there are 2 approved trade bodies, the BPA who use POPLA for ADR, and the IPC that use the IAS for ADR , 4cr says the latter deals with your particular case

    you can google the BPA and the IPC and see what they have to say as trade bodies

    as for this car park, it could be the landowner and not the restaurant that may have broken the EA 2010 by charging for disabled spaces, because the businesses on the site have a duty of care towards the protected people , it may even be written into the planning permission

    I totally agree that in the larger scheme of things, depending on the contract, that the £2 or whatever it is may be owed to SIP, but I am wondering in your case what the restaurants expect the disabled to do and if they should have their own parking spaces to cater for the disabled ? (the protected persons) - some do this or have sections of car parks that are free for the disabled , like ASDA do for example on some or all of their car parks and was written into the planning permission on my local asda I believe

    There are some council and hospital pay and display car parks where the disabled spaces are free for a certain time period but the non-BB holders have to pay, so I feel my answers were relevant as there can be mixed parking on many car parks, sometimes you (or the concierge) have to enter the registration number on a terminal inside the building in order to "protect" the vehicle on the p&d car park and is a common method of dealing with this issue by many restaurants etc

    so you are asking this particular business what steps they have taken to "protect" the protected people under the EA 2010 that frequent their business, in relation to the parking of their vehicles ? is there an exemption system and if not, why not ?

    I agree its a minefield, but its relevant to those who are in need , so I never assume that these businesses or PPC,s have the right to do as they are doing, mainly because I know that they do break the laws in many regards, health and safety being a major one (which is why you see fly on the wall documentaries on tv showing them being told off by trading standards food inspectors etc regularly, sometimes they are closed until they clean things up)

    if you dont ask, you dont get , and many PPC,s dont even abide by contracts or flout the law of POFA 2012 by citing it on non-relevant land , many landowners dont even think about the EA 2010 when drafting these contracts so we have no knowledge that its a lawful contract in this case either

    therefore , why should we naively believe anything they say without actual proof ?

    so ignore the trolls who dont see the bigger picture !

    its also the non-afflicted that tend to attack the afflicted too (usually through ignorance)
  • mcrterry
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    once again Redx I'm indepted to you
  • System
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    as for this car park, it could be the landowner and not the restaurant that may have broken the EA 2010 by charging for disabled spaces
    There is NO breach of EA for having a parking fee for disabled spaces! I don't know where you get that idea from.
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  • Redx
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    edited 13 July 2014 at 2:44PM
    !!!!!! wrote: »
    There is NO breach of EA for having a parking fee for disabled spaces! I don't know where you get that idea from.


    but I have no interest in your replies, which should be directed at the OP

    it is my opinion that this could be the case and it is up to the restaurant or landowner to prove it , not me

    I am alleging that they have not followed the EA 2010 by providing a method of registering these vehicles and providing concessionary parking by doing so for the businesses served by this car park, which is a common practice with hotels and restaurants and sometimes could be written into any planning permission

    it is not for me to prove, merely to allege

    it is for the restaurant to prove they have complied with the law, once the subject is raised

    if you cannot see that , that is your problem, because I am sure this OP can see the logic of my argument and knows which set of advice to take , ie:- those who have set out to try to help him, or those seeking "brownie points" by trolling the replies looking for what they believe are inconsistencies and then pointing them out

    if you are correct, then the OP will have to abide by the template letter and NEWBIES advice (which he should be doing anyway as I clearly pointed out) , but by raising the BB issue I have helped him to think about the lawful issues involved, which I am sure the landowner may also do when its brought to his attention, for all you know his contract may forbid SIP to charge disabled people parked on those spaces. there are other car parks near me that forbid ticketing people who use the car park and then enter the VRN on terminals inside the building , especially those with a BB on display , so as we do now know these terms and conditions on the contract between them we cannot be sure that I am wrong (or right) - hence why I am alleging it

    like in this mcdonalds overstay on a car park https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4989641 (it may be an overstay and not a p&d but it shows that the protected person may have had issues of "hurt feelings" etc)

    or this one https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5002621 where CM has highlighted the issues

    doing nothing maintains the status quo, but that status quo may be incorrect

    nothing you can say can change the advice given so dont bother trying, if you cannot see my point you will have to agree to differ , its not you I am trying to help , so unless you have advice for the OP, then I dont see the point of your replies and I wont be changing my advice at all !
  • System
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    Helping by giving incorrect advice is never a good idea.

    I would suggest that you look at the number of councils that charge for parking in disabled bays in car parks. None have been challenged about it because there is nothing in the EA to say you must not

    Anybody can allege anything. All it does is muddy the waters if there is no apparent basis for the allegation

    but I have no interest in your replies
    Then put me on ignore if it will help your ego.
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  • Redx
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    two wrongs dont make a right

    but I will take your advice and put you on ignore, please do the same for me for the same reason , asap
  • Coupon-mad
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    edited 13 July 2014 at 4:47PM
    !!!!!! wrote: »
    I would suggest that you look at the number of councils that charge for parking in disabled bays in car parks. None have been challenged about it .
    Yep they have, about the fact they don't allow extra time for the money:

    http://www.disabilitynow.org.uk/article/norwich-blue-badge-victory

    More will follow with such court challenges, if Councils don't realise that 'equality' isn't just about making things look equal - it's about creating a level playing field. Although I do agree that there is no case IMHO for disabled parkers to just 'get' free parking, any more than the elderly should get a discount at M&S, seeing as they seemingly can all afford to shop there weekly IMHO (a separate rant!). Point being disabled people and elderly people are not necessarily the poorest in Society.

    :)
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