"Exceeds marked bay area" Not an overstay...

spike2012

Hi All. One week has passed. I was doing the normal recommended research and was also looking at the BPA website and PDF copies of their info etc

I looked at the flow chart on this page
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=65106611&postcount=12

Should I still not appeal directly to PPS at this point? I can see the advice above states for waiting for NtK (as how do they know other people don't rip off the tickets from the windscreens?)

But doesn't the flow chart say appeal directly to the issuer? I feel I have a good case, but if I don't appeal now and wait for a letter to come through, wouldn't it be held against me at POPLA stage that I didn't originally appeal with my arguments etc? The bit of land where the driver parked is "wasteland" attached to the normal car park. They're trying to get the signs from the old car park to apply to the "new" car park. There is also no designated bays - just lines on a wall. I would have said I had a good chance of appeal so is waiting for a letter still the best advice please?

Edit: I'm confused between the flowchart I mentioned above, and this advice which, as you have helpfully advised, states to wait...

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/63678135#Comment_63678135

Dee140157

Wait for NTK
Issuer is the PPC
It won't be held against you at POPLA.
If you wait for NTK and it fails to meet BPA guidelines, then you have a further appeal point at POPLA. You lose this if you appeal now.
Take pictures of car park whilst waiting for NTK. Gives even more evidence.
See if you can find out who owns the land at this point.
All useful things you can be doing whilst waiting.

spike2012

Thank you and will do! The land owner will be surprised with what's going on. Do they have a say in cancelling these?
Thanks for the reassurance and to-do list

Dee140157

He sure will do of he doesn't have a contract with the PPC on his land!
If that is the case then there will be lots of extra stuff for him to do as they would have been scamming people more than normal.

bazster

Perhaps when they said "park between the white lines" they meant like this:

spike2012

I would if those lines existed.

This is the car park and it shows the white lines. I hasten to add that the cars that have created their own row weren't ticketed and never are. I guess its a case of they get left alone because they generate extra revenue. There are often 7 or 8 cars in this "extra row". With this logic, I would have been better off parking anywhere but in one of the "bays"



Edit: I have just re-read your post above and can see the joke there. Completely went over my head before. *Sigh*

spike2012

Coupon-mad wrote: »

Ooooh you definitely want to wait for their first letter then because I seem to recall they don't use a compliant Notice to keeper (which then becomes an appeal point at POPLA stage among the others). You can send the usual template appeal at the first stage once you get whatever they call the first letter.

Also do NOT just send off a generic POPLA appeal when you get to that stage - please at that time, REMIND us that it's PPS because they have actually won a couple of POPLA appeals by massaging their GPEOL statement to suit what POPLA want.

Hi All - I have received a letter today asking for £100 by the 05/09/2014...

There are a couple of pictures of my vehicle. There are still no white lines on the floor and where I have parked clearly shows uneven ground/kerb. The front end of my vehicle could be argued as "not being between the lines on the wall" - but the letter still states "Exceeds marked bay area" I have read lots of information here... I'm guessing my next steps are to appeal to them in regard to this letter?

Reminder as requested: This is PPS and they have won at POPLA stage before!?

In regard to GPEOL, would it not be argued I "owe" £3.50 to cover the so called loss of earnings of the space next to me? I was reading info on the BPA site which was mentioning what can and cannot be included in a company GPEOL. I would obviously like the quickest and most stress-free resolve to this... Thanks for all the help!

Edit: date of letter states 22/08/14. Can't se how it has taken that long to get to me.

Dee140157

Let me just check. Is this the first letter you have received. Is it therefore the NTK?

Of so put in a first appeal as per the newbie thread.

Or I this a rejection of an appeal you have put in already and if so does it have a POPLA code?

ampersand

[QUOTE=spike2012;66371619...............Edit:_date_of_letter_states_22/08/14._Can't see how it has taken that long to get to me.[/QUOTE]
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Hello spike[and one beautiful dancing daughter:)]-

I'm a fully-fashioned cynic where ppcs are concerned - to me pretend dates on letters were the norm. Ditto pretend letters full stop. It was useful when PLiars tripped themselves up in this way.

If letter was sent via UKMail or one of those[inc. RM now it's a business] mail delivery is not what it was once proud to be. Further, UKMail use no discernible postmarks, so time/location points are not known to recipients.

Small beer in the scheme of things, but be aware.

bazster

I just love the idea that vertical lines on a fence constitute a marked parking bay. Where does it say in law or common sense that a parking bay need be perpendicular to a fence/kerb/any other linear feature? How many places can you think of where parking bays are at an angle to a kerb or somesuch? I know of loads!