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12-fold surge in parking ticket appeals (POPLA) in just two years

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  • ColliesCarer
    ColliesCarer Posts: 1,593 Forumite
    nobbysn*ts wrote: »
    £40k to £60k a year salary? I'm tempted by the dark side.

    May the force of MSE parking tickets board be with you and help you to resist, Nobby Skywalker
  • nobbysn*ts
    nobbysn*ts Posts: 1,176 Forumite
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    Umkomaas wrote: »
    Employment costs, not just salaries. And most employees will be legally trained, so they won't be on minimum wages.

    No, they won't be on that high a wage, I read on here they were students from college or similar. There was a thread about how poorly trained they were.
  • trisontana
    trisontana Posts: 9,472 Forumite
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    here is the AA's take on the story:-

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-2686076/AA-URGES-PRIVATE-PARKING-REGULATION.html

    Private land parking enforcers are "free to reap any and every parking infringement," despite recent legislation, according to the AA.
    "We need more barriers and parking attendants in private car parks to help and deter rather than let an anonymous machine churn out the tickets.
    "Many companies are making vast sums yet are getting away with inadequate signing which becomes only a subjective issue at appeal."

    What part of "A whop bop-a-lu a whop bam boo" don't you understand?
  • bazster
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    nobbysn*ts wrote: »
    No, they won't be on that high a wage, I read on here they were students from college or similar. There was a thread about how poorly trained they were.

    I repeat, we're talking about staff costs. Not the same thing as wages.
    Je suis Charlie.
  • nobbysn*ts
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    bazster wrote: »
    I didn't say salary. There is more to staff costs than just salaries.

    Indeed there is, that's why rent and all other costs is in your estimate of £1.5m? But if you reckon £3m, fair enough, it's still a drop in the ocean for the business turnover of ppc's. Another 12 fold increase this year hopefully!
  • Umkomaas
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    edited 10 July 2014 at 8:25PM
    nobbysn*ts wrote: »
    No, they won't be on that high a wage, I read on here they were students from college or similar. There was a thread about how poorly trained they were.

    Here's the calculations undertaken by Pranky. You may want to rubbish them (you seem to be arguing the toss on this), but unless you can come up with an alternative, then PP's calcs are the best available.

    http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/how-much-does-popla-appeal-cost-bpa-ltd.html
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

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  • bargepole
    bargepole Posts: 3,238 Forumite
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    nobbysn*ts wrote: »
    No, they won't be on that high a wage, I read on here they were students from college or similar. There was a thread about how poorly trained they were.
    These law students, who almost invariably uphold appeals where the motorist states there was no GPEOL, are getting a good grounding in contract law as it applies to private parking.


    Some of them will be the District Judges of tomorrow.

    I have been providing assistance, including Lay Representation at Court hearings (current score: won 57, lost 14), to defendants in parking cases for over 5 years. I have an LLB (Hons) degree, and have a Graduate Diploma in Civil Litigation from CILEx. However, any advice given on these forums by me is NOT formal legal advice, and I accept no liability for its accuracy.
  • nobbysn*ts
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    edited 10 July 2014 at 9:10PM
    Umkomaas wrote: »
    Here's the calculations undertaken by Pranky. You may want to rubbish them (you seem to be arguing the toss on this), but unless you can come up with an alternative, then PP's calcs are the best available.

    http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/how-much-does-popla-appeal-cost-bpa-ltd.html

    Yes. I reckon he looks about right. £750k overall seems in the right ball park.
  • nobbysn*ts
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    edited 10 July 2014 at 9:19PM
    £750k for 23500 tickets is £32 a ticket. Even if PP is wide of the mark and it's twice that, that's only just over £60 a ticket now. And the 13500 tickets allowed will bring in £1.35 million, so it's likely that would be paid by people that lost at POPLA.
  • bazster
    bazster Posts: 7,436 Forumite
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    nobbysn*ts wrote: »
    Indeed there is, that's why rent and all other costs is in your estimate of £1.5m?

    Yeah, right, whatever...
    Je suis Charlie.
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