Overtaking on a hatched area

matttye

nobbysn*ts wrote: »

Without doubt, the op's son was certain there was nothing behind it, and that they had enough time to pull out. And if the certainty was actually true, the accident wouldn't have happened.

Depends on the observations. People make stupid judgements on the road when they're not certain of anything.

Just yesterday I saw a guy pull out and overtake a bus that was parked at a bus stop, and nearly hit an oncoming car. He wasn't certain about anything but still did it...

caprikid1

Sorry to me the visibility at that Junction is good, he pulled out on an oncoming car. It could well of still hit him if it had not overtaken.

I suspect the driver was more pulling out wide to clear the car turning as opposed to overtaking.

I personally go with the undue care, potentially not a clever overake but if he was not speeding and the road ahead was all clear I do not see the overtaking driver being charged if it had been witnessed as just an overtake.

westwood68

matttye wrote: »

I didn't say that...

The car overtook in a ridiculously dangerous location.

Would you wait until a car turning left had completed its turn, or pull out when it had started to turn?

Personally I'd be pulling out as soon as I saw it had slowed down significantly for the turn...

I wouldn't; I would wait until the car had fully turned and there was a totally clear view.

The police obviously agree.

You might have done it hundreds of times without incident but that doesn't make it correct.

Iceweasel

The OP and their son will learn nothing, and benefit nothing, from the awareness course if the son goes to it thinking he was the 'innocent' party and that he has been hard done by.

The course needs to be approached with the idea that something obviously went far wrong and how could he be more aware of such possibilities - and how could he lessen the chance of a collision in the future.

Who is more (or less) at fault than the other is of absolutely no importance.

nobbysn*ts

matttye wrote: »

Depends on the observations. People make stupid judgements on the road when they're not certain of anything.

Just yesterday I saw a guy pull out and overtake a bus that was parked at a bus stop, and nearly hit an oncoming car. He wasn't certain about anything but still did it...

I find they make more stupid mistakes when they are certain to be honest. If they're not certain they tend to keep an open mind, if they are certain they believe there can only ever be the outcome they expect.

matttye

westwood68 wrote: »

I wouldn't; I would wait until the car had fully turned and there was a totally clear view.

The police obviously agree.

You might have done it hundreds of times without incident but that doesn't make it correct.

The way I make right turns is fine. There's no need to wait for a car to complete its left turn so long as I have sufficient time to make my turn even if the car were to change its' mind and carry straight on. If I didn't have enough time then I'd wait until it starts to turn.

There's not a right way and a wrong way with driving... it's down to interpretation.

nobbysn*ts wrote: »

I find they make more stupid mistakes when they are certain to be honest. If they're not certain they tend to keep an open mind, if they are certain they believe there can only ever be the outcome they expect.

Any driver that's not an absolute lunatic has to be certain at some point. I would never make a turn if I wasn't certain it was safe.

Not certain it's safe... wait until I am certain it's safe... turn.

Anyone that makes manoeuvres when they're not certain it's safe is an accident waiting to happen.

nobbysn*ts

matttye wrote: »

The way I make right turns is fine. There's no need to wait for a car to complete its left turn so long as I have sufficient time to make my turn even if the car were to change its' mind and carry straight on. If I didn't have enough time then I'd wait until it starts to turn.

There's not a right way and a wrong way with driving... it's down to interpretation.



Any driver that's not an absolute lunatic has to be certain at some point. I would never make a turn if I wasn't certain it was safe.

Not certain it's safe... wait until I am certain it's safe... turn.

Anyone that makes manoeuvres when they're not certain it's safe is an accident waiting to happen.

Like I said, it's the drivers that are 'certain' that worry me most. 'I was certain it was safe' usually means 'I was certain that car wasn't there'. Me, I expect the unexpected, nothing is certain, it can change in a split second. Missed them all so far.

IamNotAllowedToUseMyName

I'd assume that the police, considering the position of the cars, felt that the car behind should have been visible. While the car shouldn't have been passing at a junction (I wonder if they got a ticket too?), you cannot assume that the car doing the turn is the only one coming down the road.

If cars were parked too close to the junction (within 10 metres - 2 car lengths) arguably they were contributing factors and could have a liability, but I doubt an insurance company would be at all interested, especially if the police weren't. They could be ticketed for unnecessary obstruction.