Industrial Action 10th July

eyeopener2

Careful Alastairq, you don't want facts to get in the way of Bill's trolling, he has a degree from Oxford and therfore is always right.

Thrugelmir

alastairq wrote: »

I'd be speaking to my Union Officials about that one?

On account of the fact that, tomorrow is, to all intents & purposes, a normal working day.

For example, what if the Strike is called off at the very last moment?

Imagine, a Public Employer resorting to a lock-out?

What if one intends to attend work, yet suffers an accident on the way?

Speak to your Union reps.....I know my mangement wouldn't dare do such a thing....having a shed load of Grievances to one's name won't do their PAR markings much good, will it?

It's people like you that give the Unions a bad image.

Thrugelmir

alastairq wrote: »

The top of my pay band [as was] is the government's idea of what my work is worth. Yet, no-one is ever able to achieve it, regardless [broken government promises in the past]....of performance.

I have never been granted 'other's money' at any time. [A lot less than most in the private sector, anyway]....

HAving undergone revue after revue, I and my colleagues provide the very best ever value-for-money that any organisation can offer, in providing the service we give.

Right throughout the public sector.

And no-one in this country can work, live, or enjoy life at all, without the ministrations of someone in the public sector.

The public sector, whether local or national, is the reason we are ...as a country, where we are in the world.

The fact is, the private sector don't pay anything like the amount they should do, for the services they receive from the public sector.

And if the public sector workforce have their incomes suppressed as they are, the private sector will inevitably fail....

It's about markets.....and purchasing power.

If the public sector won't buy, the private sector loses profit.....and private sector jobs then fail in consequence.


And, where on earth do people get the idea the public sector have received unsustainable pay rises?

The private sector should be made to pay a lot more than they do now....to support the middle classes.

This will then trickle down to the less well-off....not to give anyone a better lifestyle, but simply to provide the basic essential services that everyone on this country has a right to.

The wealth is all in the wrong place.

There are many things wrong that need correction. However a select group being overpaid for what they do doesn't make a right.

alastairq

eyeopener2 wrote: »

Careful Alastairq, you don't want facts to get in the way of Bill's trolling, he has a degree from Oxford and therfore is always right.

Not Kellogg's, then?

alastairq

Thrugelmir wrote: »

There are many things wrong that need correction. However a select group being overpaid for what they do doesn't make a right.

I think we are all aware that, as far as industrial action of this sort is concerned, we are all pee-ing into the wind...however..it isn't really about creating mayhem, its' about simply making a protest...'standing up & being counted', as our great grandads would say?


The mayhem will come later, when we use the Civil Service rules to their full extent, to cause havoc.

Thrugelmir

alastairq wrote: »

The mayhem will come later, when we use the Civil Service rules to their full extent, to cause havoc.

Very short sighted view I fear. The world has changed somewhat in the past 25 years. As it's moved on at a considerable pace.

Thrugelmir

femalemonarchfemalecanine wrote: »

the government's greatest success is setting the private sector working class against the public sector working class. they should be allies not enemies but everyone is so happy to swallow the carp the government put out; they're the ones with their noses firmly in the trough, to the detriment of both sectors.

I suspect many today were middle class. As earning far above the median wage.

alastairq

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Very short sighted view I fear. The world has changed somewhat in the past 25 years. As it's moved on at a considerable pace.

On the contrary.....as the times have moved on, so have the methods of industrial action.

What is needed is a willingness to negotiate.

The Government is not willing.

They prefer draconian action instead.

WHat is changing, compared to the last 2 or 3 decades , is, the lower orders are becoming less & less compliant.

sharnad

BillJones wrote: »

Interesting. I negotiate my pay individually, and have been fortunate enough, with my skills enough in demand, that I now get more in a year than I would have received in the full 40 years I could have worked as a civil servant.

Can I assume that you applaud my diligence and negotiating skills, or do you only applaud higher wages when it's in the public sector?

You get a million a year I think anyone would say well done

Thrugelmir

alastairq wrote: »

On the contrary.....as the times have moved on, so have the methods of industrial action.

What is needed is a willingness to negotiate.

The Government is not willing.

They prefer draconian action instead.

WHat is changing, compared to the last 2 or 3 decades , is, the lower orders are becoming less & less compliant.

Your words sum up my point succinctly. As misses the far bigger picture in the way that the world has changed and the spheres of influence with it.

Doesn't matter who the Government of the day is. Austerity will remain. Little choice given the state of the UK's finances.