Industrial Action 10th July

beecher2

Bella_Smythe wrote: »

((phone in sick))
i didnt just say that.

You'd need a doctor's note to confirm sickness. Self certification doesn't apply on strike days.

alastairq

BillJones wrote: »

Interesting. I negotiate my pay individually, and have been fortunate enough, with my skills enough in demand, that I now get more in a year than I would have received in the full 40 years I could have worked as a civil servant.

Can I assume that you applaud my diligence and negotiating skills, or do you only applaud higher wages when it's in the public sector?

Lucky you, to be in such a good negotiating position.

But, for every one of you, there are thousands who don't have such a good bargaining position.

And, if there were, do you think your own position would not be made less sound?

I have no interest personally in 'public' or 'private' sectors.

But, for the last half decade, government employees have been made to pay for the profligacy of both government [and private sector].....and the resultant economic tragedy that unfolded as a result.

This is an entirely unfair situation......a situation I don't see replicated within the higher echelons, either.

In real terms, public sector workers have endured an enforced 15% drop in income over the past 5 years.

For my own part, how do you think I feel, when the government..without any form of consultation, other than to satisfy their own political whims, have decided to reduce my income by £200 a month , for no benefit to me?

And I am one of the rarer public employees , who actually creates an outcome. [with zero prospect of being made redundant, either...my department are actively attempting to overturn Cabinet Office policy, and recruit!!!]

I sincerely hope Thursday, and the follow-on, creates the maximum of inconvenience for everybody.

For I am past caring of anyone except my colleagues!

fluffy70

Thanks everyone - I will most certainly be striking - it's for something that I believe quite strongly in - but at least I know now that I can call my OR and explain to her that my pay for August will be reduced by one day's pay and why.

alastairq

BTW, as I am currently on leave [not holidays, but moving home]...I have cancelled my day's leave for Thursday...so that I won't benefit over my colleagues.

Regarding hte sick recommendations?

Thursday is a normal working day as far as the employer [or, one's line management] is concerned.

They cannot demand to know one's intentions beforehand.

If they pressurise anyone for that information [for planning purposes,], then I recommend telling them one is coming into work..then simply, don't turn up!

Calling in 'sick' is perfectly fine, without any need to change the normal sickness protocol. [Just don't turn up for the free butties on the picket line, tis all!]

fluffy70

alastairq wrote: »

Calling in 'sick' is perfectly fine, without any need to change the normal sickness protocol. [Just don't turn up for the free butties on the picket line, tis all!]

We've been advised that if you are off sick on the day of strike then a doctor's certificate is most defintiely required to cover the day of strike - you cannot self certificate on that day

alastairq

I'd be speaking to my Union Officials about that one?

On account of the fact that, tomorrow is, to all intents & purposes, a normal working day.

For example, what if the Strike is called off at the very last moment?

Imagine, a Public Employer resorting to a lock-out?

What if one intends to attend work, yet suffers an accident on the way?

Speak to your Union reps.....I know my mangement wouldn't dare do such a thing....having a shed load of Grievances to one's name won't do their PAR markings much good, will it?

TheGardener

fluffy70 wrote: »

We've been advised that if you are off sick on the day of strike then a doctor's certificate is most defintiely required to cover the day of strike - you cannot self certificate on that day

Us too - seems to be a pretty common clause...

alastairq

Discrimination springs to mind?

I'd be inclined to take a week or two off, if that were the case? What have you got to lose?


I'd also be inclined to ascertain from whereabouts that edict came from?

If a public service employer [LA or Civil Service] then such a policy will definitely not comply with the overall Management Practice Documents.

Such a policy definitely needs a grievance initiated.....it is discriminatory, and not applied across the board.

BillJones

alastairq wrote: »

sectors.

But, for the last half decade, government employees have been made to pay for the profligacy of both government [and private sector].....and the resultant economic tragedy that unfolded as a result.
!

Of course they haven't. They've been handed inflation-busting pay rises for no good reason, and are now having a well-deserved reversion to the mean.

For some reason many don't appreciate the bounty bestowed upon them to buy their votes, and instead have convinced themselves that this profligacy should become the new normal. This is ludicrous, but we are slowly seeing sanity returning.

For my own part, how do you think I feel, when the government..without any form of consultation, other than to satisfy their own political whims, have decided to reduce my income by £200 a month , for no benefit to me?

Hopefully you feel a sense of justice, and a relief that you are no longer being granted others' money unfairly. I get the impression though that you've convinced yourself that the peak wages were "fair".

alastairq

Hopefully you feel a sense of justice, and a relief that you are no longer being granted others' money unfairly. I get the impression though that you've convinced yourself that the peak wages were "fair".

The top of my pay band [as was] is the government's idea of what my work is worth. Yet, no-one is ever able to achieve it, regardless [broken government promises in the past]....of performance.

I have never been granted 'other's money' at any time. [A lot less than most in the private sector, anyway]....

HAving undergone revue after revue, I and my colleagues provide the very best ever value-for-money that any organisation can offer, in providing the service we give.

Right throughout the public sector.

And no-one in this country can work, live, or enjoy life at all, without the ministrations of someone in the public sector.

The public sector, whether local or national, is the reason we are ...as a country, where we are in the world.

The fact is, the private sector don't pay anything like the amount they should do, for the services they receive from the public sector.

And if the public sector workforce have their incomes suppressed as they are, the private sector will inevitably fail....

It's about markets.....and purchasing power.

If the public sector won't buy, the private sector loses profit.....and private sector jobs then fail in consequence.


And, where on earth do people get the idea the public sector have received unsustainable pay rises?

The private sector should be made to pay a lot more than they do now....to support the middle classes.

This will then trickle down to the less well-off....not to give anyone a better lifestyle, but simply to provide the basic essential services that everyone on this country has a right to.

The wealth is all in the wrong place.