Gas Boiler + 7 Radiators for £699?

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EliteHeat wrote: »

With a combi boiler it's all about how much hot water you want or need. It is nothing to do with the central heating aspect. The smallest combi boiler can easily cope with double the radiators that you are planning on installing.

The first thing you must do is to measure the flow rate from your rising main. Ideally, this should be at least 20 litres per minute. This is easily done with a stopwatch and bucket.

Hopefully it is fairly obvious that the more powerful the boiler, the more gas it will use and the higher the volume of instantaneous hot water it can produce. If you want a really good shower and a bath that fills reasonably quickly then go for the biggest that you can afford.

I would not recommend that you go for a boiler with a rated output of less than 30kW - it will struggle in the winter to heat the water up.

If it were me, and assuming for the moment that I would want to install a combi, then I would go for a Vaillant - an 831 or 837 if you can stretch to it. Better yet a 937 but you won't get one from Ultimate. Having said that, I install a huge number of Baxi/Potterton/Main combis with no problems at all. These are known as Sedbuk "B" rated machines as they are based on older, non-condensing technology and have been adapted to meet the new building regulations.

The Vaillants, Worcester Boches and most Glow Worms are all "A" rated appliances, meaning that they are a totally new design.

The "A" rated boilers are slightly more efficient than the "B" rated ones, but to be honest in most situations it won't make any difference.

When planning your installation, be aware of building regs that apply to you. In your case this means:-

• The provision of an interlock - an arrangement of controls that positively fires or shuts down the boiler in response to a demand for heat - normally satisfied by a programmable room thermotat
• Thermostatic radiator valves on all rads except one the one closest to the room thermostat.

If you are planning to do the wet work yourself then it would be best to get the agreement of a Corgi bod before you start. You are not allowed to do any of the following:-

• Install the boiler hanging bracket
• Install or mount the boiler
• Install the flue
• Install the condensate waste system (it's part of the flue)
• Install any part of the gas pipe-work - even if it isn't connected at either end

I have no idea of how much experience you have, but get ready for a lot of disruption and a fair bit of effing and blinding.

All in bold is UNTRUE If you own your own property you are allowed to carry out the full Installation of a boiler including connection to the gas supply, IF YOU ARE COMPETENT that is the LAW in this country, CORGI are not the law ! You cannot do gas work for profit if you are not a registered gas installer. And If you don't know what you're doing leave well alone, I Install around a dozen boilers a year! in properties which I renovate and rent out, I am not CORGI reg. But I'm competent :T

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Has anyone had any experience with: http://www.mrcentralheating.com/

They have a boiler and 7 radiators for £699 all in. Is it worth it?

We are living in a 3 bed end terrace house that I am doing up to sell in 6 months or so - so this would help us keep the project within budget (and it only needs to last for the time we live there!).

At that price would the boiler (or others on the site) be any good?




BTW yep! Great Company.;) Made those greedy merchants think !

EliteHeat

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All in bold is UNTRUE If you own your own property you are allowed to carry out the full Installation of a boiler including connection to the gas supply, IF YOU ARE COMPETENT that is the LAW in this country, CORGI are not the law ! You cannot do gas work for profit if you are not a registered gas installer. And If you don't know what you're doing leave well alone, I Install around a dozen boilers a year! in properties which I renovate and rent out, I am not CORGI reg. But I'm competent :T

Corgi are not the law, they are the only body authorised to deem people competent - that is the law. So, who has deemed you to be competent? if no one, then you cannot possibly state that you are.

If you are really undertaking illegal gas work in properties that you rent out, then you are an arrogant fool and I pity your tenants and their neighbours.

Can I please ask that all others ignore this idiots foolish post.

EliteHeat

A landlords gas safety check does not make your installation legal. It is a non intrusive check that cannot possibly verify the standard of your illegal work.

All gas installation work is notifiable to Corgi and building controls and has been since 2005. How do you notify yours? to not do so is, I am afraid, illegal.

Did you have the decency and courtesy to explain to both your tenants and your neighbours that you were undertaking illegal gas work before you started? were they happy with that?

Oh, one more thing - you're quite happy to invalidate your buildings insurance cover are you?

I love listening to deluded people like you who always seem to wave the fact that they have "x" years of experience as some kind of arrogant defence to the fact that they are above the rules, regulations and laws that the rest of us have to abide by.

I do not have a clue whether you are competent or not, nor do you - neither of us are qualified to judge. I do believe though that innocent tenants and next door neighbours have the right to expect that anyone undertaking any kind of potentially lethal works has been correctly trained, is regularly assessed and checked and has the relevant public liability insurance.

Finally, you have not ruined my day. I sincerely hope that you don't ruin anyones life.

Canucklehead

EliteHeat wrote: »

Can't find anything out about them.

Good morning: Glow-worm have added the Ultracom to the website http://www.glow-worm.co.uk/products/ultracom_range.asp
with free installer training available http://www.glow-worm.co.uk/training/free_ultracom_training.asp
HTH

Canucklehead

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EliteHeat wrote: »

A laninstallation legal. dlords gas safety check does not make your

My installation is legal ! under DIY gas work.

It is a non intrusive check that cannot possibly verify the standard of your illegal work.

Very Funny ! the inspection includes the flue, most important the siting of the flue, and in most cases the boiler pipework, what's left ?

All gas installation work is notifiable to Corgi and building controls and has been since 2005.

ALL!!! So what you're saying if an individual installs A GAS HOB they have to notify building control , don't know wot you're drinkin mate but please let me know next time you post, and I'll keep well away from It.

How do you notify yours? to not do so is, I am afraid, illegal.

YOU have to notify CORGI ( and pay their little fee ) not me, because I'm not charging for my work, you're the one making the profit. Please try and keep up with the rest of the class

Did you have the decency and courtesy to explain to both your tenants and your neighbours that you were undertaking illegal gas work before you started? were they happy with that?

From time to time people have asked me to to quote for gas work, (sometimes neighbours of a property I own) I will give advice, and say sorry I'm not allowed to carry out any gas work on property I don't own and I explain to them THAT IS THE LAW.

Oh, one more thing - you're quite happy to invalidate your buildings insurance cover are you?

GOOD TRY The scaremongering tactic ! Sorry! not good enough :rolleyes:

I love listening to deluded people like you who always seem to wave the fact that they have "x" years of experience as some kind of arrogant defence to the fact that they are above the rules, regulations and laws that the rest of us have to abide by.

I


The law is I'm allowed to blow myself up,,,,, your not ! the rest of us I take it you mean 'CORGI installers' they, and you are required to work within strict rules if your going into people's homes AND CHARGING MONEY ,but not me or people like me.

I do not have a clue

Yeah! Your quite right, you do not have a clue .:rotfl:

nor do you - neither of us are qualified to judge. I do believe though that innocent tenants and next door neighbours have the right to expect that anyone undertaking any kind of potentially lethal works has been correctly trained, is regularly assessed and checked and has the relevant public liability insurance.

Some of the worst workmanship I have come across have been carried out by CORGI reg

GAS LEEKS
CARBON MONOXIDE SPILLING FROM APPLIANCES
INCORRECT PIPE SIZING
INCORRECT RADIATOR SIZING
FLOORS RAPED, JOISTS DESTROYED TO A DANGEROUS LEVEL (BUILDING CONTROL my ****)
etc,etc,


AND THAT IS WHY I INSTALL HEATING MYSELF.


thank god you never brought up the LOG BOOK in your previous post!!!:eek:

EliteHeat

I am not going to bother to respond anymore to your trollish posts except to say that everything that I have posted is true. I will however clarify one point that you do not seem to be able to get your head around.

All gas work is notifiable to both Corgi and Building Controls. This means boilers, water heaters, gas fires, gas hobs, gas cookers etc - all gas appliances in fact.

Do you understand this now? This is the law of the land and has been for some time. If you were qualified and authorised to install gas appliances you would know this.

So, to sum up. All of your installations are illegal, the fact that you haven’t notified them – well, let’s face it you can’t can you – is an illegal act. Your fatuous assertion that a gas safety check in some way absolves you of responsibility is laughable.

Finally, your claim that the work is “not for gain” is absurd. You are (or claim to be) a private landlord. This is a business and so this cannot possibly apply. If you used to be a registered installer then Corgi would categorise you as a “Lapsed Illegal Worker”.

If you, or anyone else, would like to check the facts then I suggest that you call Corgi on 0800 915 0480 - I'm tempted to say to get it from the horses mouth as opposed to the horses backside. Better yet, call the HSE and ask them what they think.

More information can be found on www.trustcorgi.com

bclark

I have to agree with EliteHeat on this one. You are not allowed to undertake work on Gas installations unless you have been deemed competent and have a Corgi registration. Simply saying that you think that you are competent because you have 35 years experience is not good enough (and is also very arrogant).

The fact that you are carrying out this work and then renting out the homes with Gas installations carried out by someone not competent is dangerous both for them and for you.

It is also invalidating the Warrenty on all of your boilers etc as they will not guarantee soemthing that has not been installed by a Corgi registered fitter.

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ALONG COMES ANOTHER NUMPTY !!!

bclark wrote: »

I have to agree with EliteHeat on this one. You are not allowed to undertake work on Gas installations unless you have been deemed competent and have a Corgi registration.

You need your forehead stamped with a GOVERMENT WARNING " I talk $hite "

Simply saying that you think that you are competent because you have 35 years experience is not good enough (and is also very arrogant).

Might be arrogant, but not STOOPID!

The fact that you are carrying out this work and then renting out the homes with Gas installations carried out by someone not competent is dangerous both for them and for you.

You're saying I'm not competent, Hmmm, I say you are ILLITERATE (well you can't spell for a start)

It is also invalidating the Warrenty on all of your boilers etc as they will not guarantee soemthing that has not been installed by a Corgi registered fitter.

YEAH ! I just had a look in the Installation instructions for a worcester boiler A28Si , It states " A COMPETENT PERSON IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RULES IN FORCE " no mention of CORGI :T


No manufacturer can invalidate my WARRANTY, because I have ' STATUTORY RIGHTS ' and I am operating within the LAW.


There are strict rules on this forum ...................................................................................One FOOL per thread ! so please go away and find another

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News on 8th June 1996. The letter
was written by Bob Henry, Director of Operations, CORGI.