Galloway Smashes Scottish Separatists with Stellar Speech in the Spectator

tomterm8

DaveTheMus wrote: »

I've quoted the post you mention below;

Can you tell me where I mentioned surprise that English people have an opinion?

DaveTheMus, I'm going to keep on saying my opinion which is that Scottish devolution is bad for every single part of Britain, and especially bad for Scotland. That the proponents of it are lying to themselves and to the Scottish people. That it is simply a bad idea, and that so far no one has given a single good explanation of how it would work. That it's based on a pack of lies, and that the only honest reason you have for voting for independence is that you hate the English.

You think I don't have the right to this opinion.

I don't care.

DaveTheMus wrote: »

Also, I'm flattered that you think I have the power to stifle democratic debate in Scotland after Sep 2014, but, I don't these far reaching powers that attribute to me.

I think you certainly would like to.

tomterm8

zagubov wrote: »

because......?

It's obvious. This is the second attempt the Scottish nationalists have made to fool the Scottish population into believing their lies. Both attempts have failed.

Scottish people are too intelligent to fall for the lies.

The only chance the Scottish Nationalists have to split up the union is to irritate the English enough to create an English nationalism that will split it up for them.

DaveTheMus

BobQ wrote: »

You seem to require very little evidence that your decision will be beneficial to Scotland. Galloway and Rowling are right, a Yes vote will not benefit Scotland, it is one the most risky things Scots will ever do.

Now if it were the Anglesey or the IOW voting for independence I would not care a fig since the decision would have no substantive impact on me or on the UK. But a Yes vote will not only de-stabilise Scotland it can potentially damage the UK as a whole.

Like UKIP, the Nationalists are a one issue party, whose other policies are largely driven by saying and doing what will be popular.

It will 'damage' the UK as a whole on the world stage....

In Scotland we are not obsessed with our standing in the world, we don't care about the so-called 'special relationship', we don't care about 'helping' countries thousands of miles away with sanctions or missiles.

We have no delusions of grandeur, we accept that we are a small country in the Atlantic Ocean and have no business wasting money on battleships, nuclear bombs, countless wars and misadventures.

SNP are a one issue party, however, on the other issues they have done much more for the working man than the Tories and Labour.....This is why they won with a landslide at the last elections.

Financially, I think we'll be fine.....If I'm down a few hundred quid a year for the first few years it's not something that would bother me tbh. A marginal amount of money isn't what this is about, only the politicos in the Westminster village believe that it is, because they think all that people care about is their financial betterment.


I feel that if a YES vote does come to fruition it will rejuvenate the political scene up here, in a way it already has.....

DaveTheMus

tomterm8 wrote: »

DaveTheMus, I'm going to keep on saying my opinion which is that Scottish devolution is bad for every single part of Britain, and especially bad for Scotland. That the proponents of it are lying to themselves and to the Scottish people. That it is simply a bad idea, and that so far no one has given a single good explanation of how it would work. That it's based on a pack of lies, and that the only honest reason you have for voting for independence is that you hate the English.

You think I don't have the right to this opinion.

I don't care.



I think you certainly would like to.

Tomterm, you are an irrelevance when it comes to the independence vote. It will affect the UK greatly and you have no power to change it.......

tomterm8

DaveTheMus wrote: »

Tomterm, you are an irrelevance when it comes to the independence vote. It will affect the UK greatly and you have no power to change it.......

True.


But then again, after an independance vote I'd be a citizen of a country with many times the number of citizens of Scotland, a much larger economy othan Scotland, and right on the border of scotland.

I'd also, if I chose, be a citizen of Scotland according to the SNP policy.

You can vote how you want. And, once you vote, so shall I.

zagubov

tomterm8 wrote: »

It's obvious. This is the second attempt the Scottish nationalists have made to fool the Scottish population into believing their lies. Both attempts have failed.

Gawd help us! What on earth are you describing!

tomterm8 wrote: »

I'd also, if I chose, be a citizen of Scotland according to the SNP policy.

Never knew you had a Scottish connection.

tomterm8 wrote: »

You can vote how you want. And, once you vote, so shall I.

Anyhoo, good. A voter - I worried they were nearly extinct. It's good you'll obviously vote for a non-SNP party. They'd all appreciate your support what with needing it due to their past incompetence (Lab), outing as the English National Party (Cons) or, to borrow a useful adjective, quixotic sympathy for Shetlandic autonomy vs antipathy to Scottish autonomy (libs in Scotland) or inability to achive anything at all (libs everywhere else).

I've got to vote for one of them as I live south of the Tweed. I've got to vote as they'll take the right off us if we don't do it, but it's a struggle down here identifying which of these recognise that the economy tail shouldn't wag the society dog.

tberry6686

Personally I will be voting no. The reasons for this are quite simple.

The no campain has been pretty dire and littered with half truths and inaccuracies.

The Yes campaign on the other hand has yet (from what I have seen) to tell the truth once and has been filled with bile and anti-English sentiment from the word go. Many of the yes campaigners have started calling anyone who intends to vote no as a traitor/retard/sub-human etc, when the truth is that the yes campaign has made no good reason for independence except for independence itself.

They have failed to answer the currency question.
They have failed to answer the EU question.
They have failed to answer the economic questions.

The likely truth is that there will be no pound in Scotland if the yes vote wins, so new currency needed - what will that do to the £200m start up costs that the yes campaign believe in.
It's almost certain that an independent Scotland would have to re-apply for EU membership and accept all the baggage that goes along with it including having the Euro as our currency.
Economically the yes campaign has made no real economic case for independence, they have issued a load of figures that indicate that Scotland would be better off but they have been made up using figures that are unrecognisable to the industries involved.

The truth is that both sides have their died in the wool supporters who will never change their opinion. But I believe that if the no campaign actually bothered to put in an effort then the yes vote would drop like a stone back to its normal level.

ruggedtoast

DaveTheMus wrote: »

It will 'damage' the UK as a whole on the world stage....

In Scotland we are not obsessed with our standing in the world, we don't care about the so-called 'special relationship', we don't care about 'helping' countries thousands of miles away with sanctions or missiles.

We have no delusions of grandeur, we accept that we are a small country in the Atlantic Ocean and have no business wasting money on battleships, nuclear bombs, countless wars and misadventures.

SNP are a one issue party, however, on the other issues they have done much more for the working man than the Tories and Labour.....This is why they won with a landslide at the last elections.

Financially, I think we'll be fine.....If I'm down a few hundred quid a year for the first few years it's not something that would bother me tbh. A marginal amount of money isn't what this is about, only the politicos in the Westminster village believe that it is, because they think all that people care about is their financial betterment.


I feel that if a YES vote does come to fruition it will rejuvenate the political scene up here, in a way it already has.....

If you kept voting in inept Scottish Labour and Lib Dem politicians but have finally voted in a party that works for you, and has substantially improved Scotland, surely that is a sign that the UK has worked for Scotland.

The SNP haven't improved Scotland's prospects because they are nationalists, they have improved it because they are using the options that have always been available to you, properly.

Heaven forefend that you should actually look inside your own backyard for the reasons for your past failures of course. Its all been a plan by the wretched English to steal your oil / do you down / purloin your heather etc...

Now things are finally improving you want to hold a gun to your own heads and pull the trigger in the hope that it won't blow your brains out, with no obvious upside whatsoever.

Weird.

DaveTheMus

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Heaven forefend that you should actually look inside your own backyard for the reasons for your past failures of course. Its all been a plan by the wretched English to steal your oil / do you down / purloin your heather etc...

Here we go again, nowhere did I mention English people....

I mentioned Westminster, yes.

The English people have suffered more at the hands of the Westminster clowns than Scottish people in recent times.

The SNP have managed to salvage some things, like tuition fees and prescription charges in spite of the Westminster poiticos.

You must stop conflating English people with Westminster, English people don't come into it, the Westminster lot do, even the Scottish ones.

It is Westminster and it's broken first past the post system.

Once the United Kingdom is terminally reduced after the independence vote it will put a stop to British foreign secretaries swaggering around on the world stage telling other countries what they should and should not do.

CLAPTON

one interesting thing about the future, if the YES vote win.

if they do win, then Scotland will enter a socialist paradise with free everything, partly funded by not paying for foreign wars, partly from all that oil and renewable wealth and partly by the huge up serge in the general economy


naturally all this free money will attract huge numbers of immigrants

now, what is the betting that the Scottish government will impose a levy or restrictions on the hated English, equivalent to the Uni fees levy, whilst allowing all other nationalities to enjoy the largess?

only votes from YES supporters allowed of course, in the interests of fairness.