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Galloway Smashes Scottish Separatists with Stellar Speech in the Spectator
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Do you seriously believe that the fees policy was established because we're all racists against the English?!
Yes.
It was.
In every single one of these debates, the ultimate answer to any English person who disagrees with independence is that they should shut up because they don't have a right to an opinion. This is despite the fact that Scottish independence has a direct affect on people throughout the UK.
The reason for this is that the Scottish independence supporters faced with any opposition can't rely on logic and must rely on emotion, lies, and racist screed. No, you don't have to justify your opinions, but if you don't then I - as an Englishman - will assume that they don't have any justification in fact and are merely based on racism.“The ideas of debtor and creditor as to what constitutes a good time never coincide.”
― P.G. Wodehouse, Love Among the Chickens0 -
It speaks to the arrogance of some people on here that a Scottish independence vote is about the English.
I'm voting YES, I haven't thought about English people when making that decision.
I would vote to leave the EU, i haven't thought about Europeans when making that decision.
My reasons are entirely selfish, I only care about how this will benefit Scotland.We’ve had to remove your signature. Please check the Forum Rules if you’re unsure why it’s been removed and, if still unsure, email forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com0 -
mystic_trev wrote: »It seems he meets all the criteria to join the SNP.
They've done well up here over the last few years.We’ve had to remove your signature. Please check the Forum Rules if you’re unsure why it’s been removed and, if still unsure, email forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com0 -
DaveTheMus wrote: »It speaks to the arrogance of some people on here that a Scottish independence vote is about the English.
I'm voting YES, I haven't thought about English people when making that decision.
I would vote to leave the EU, i haven't thought about Europeans when making that decision.
My reasons are entirely selfish, I only care about how this will benefit Scotland.
It speaks to the arrogance of some Scottish people that they are surprised that English people should have an opinion on this matter.
It bodes very poorly for the future of any Independent Scotland as a democratic society that it should seek to stifle debate using the tactics of your last post.“The ideas of debtor and creditor as to what constitutes a good time never coincide.”
― P.G. Wodehouse, Love Among the Chickens0 -
DaveTheMus wrote: »My reasons are entirely selfish, I only care about how this will benefit Scotland.
You seem to require very little evidence that your decision will be beneficial to Scotland. Galloway and Rowling are right, a Yes vote will not benefit Scotland, it is one the most risky things Scots will ever do.
Now if it were the Anglesey or the IOW voting for independence I would not care a fig since the decision would have no substantive impact on me or on the UK. But a Yes vote will not only de-stabilise Scotland it can potentially damage the UK as a whole.
Like UKIP, the Nationalists are a one issue party, whose other policies are largely driven by saying and doing what will be popular.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
Ah yes - Galloway, like Stanley Baxter, cannot cut it in his own country and has to go elsewhere. As an orator, he's OK, but that's just his opinion. I've lived and worked here for longer than he has and I don't recognise his view.
Still, I don't believe has a vote anyway - so just more hot air from Georgie.
Lastly, I just live how the uninformed home in on the 'SNP' this and that as if it was UKIP. The Greens, many Labour and the odd Liberal are voting YES, so I'm happy with the company I'm in.
Why not read what you post and correct it so it makes sense?0 -
If the Scots could, they would charge Spanish students as well. They don't like the fact that the EU obliges them to to do, moan about it, and are constantly trying to find a loophole.
Of course, one of the consequences of Scottish independence (should it come to that) would be the Scots would be unable to continue charging English students. Or indeed Welsh or NI students for that matter. Although I understand that if you're NI, the thing to do is get yourself an Irish passport and address to qualify for you fee-free education.
Fair enough. For about five centuries they have been putting proportionally more of their population through uni than most neighbouring countries.
They see it as a right.
In much of the rest of the English-speaking world it's seen as a good that you pay for and they charge them accordingly.
EU rules insist that the Irish and other EU countries be treated differently from the other 175 countries and education systems of the world. Potentially expensive for Scotland. Also expensive for Austria and Belgium. Needs fixing so that the Scottish education budget isn't diverted into subsidising their neighbours education system without financial compensation and providing unfair competition to thier neighbours providers.
If we shift the argument to something seen universally as a right rather than a good, e.g secondary education, does everybody think that Scotland's state boarding schools for islanders (if they still survive!) should be open at no cost to people from, say, Windsor?
Many posters are suggesting the fees are specifically for the English. They charge 9k out of a potentially 12k average cost, just like in the rest of the uK. They are set at a rate that makes them no competition for the English university sector. But somehow that's a bad thing.
And the posters who moan about this only mention the English so the Welsh and the Northern Irish are presumably just Scotch mist . Or maybe saying English just includes them in these posters' minds. Tells us all we need to know about who's being arrogant.There is no honour to be had in not knowing a thing that can be known - Danny Baker0 -
It speaks to the arrogance of some Scottish people that they are surprised that English people should have an opinion on this matter.
It bodes very poorly for the future of any Independent Scotland as a democratic society that it should seek to stifle debate using the tactics of your last post.
I've quoted the post you mention below;
Can you tell me where I mentioned surprise that English people have an opinion?
Also, I'm flattered that you think I have the power to stifle democratic debate in Scotland after Sep 2014, but, I don't these far reaching powers that attribute to me.DaveTheMus wrote: »It speaks to the arrogance of some people on here that a Scottish independence vote is about the English.
I'm voting YES, I haven't thought about English people when making that decision.
I would vote to leave the EU, i haven't thought about Europeans when making that decision.
My reasons are entirely selfish, I only care about how this will benefit Scotland.We’ve had to remove your signature. Please check the Forum Rules if you’re unsure why it’s been removed and, if still unsure, email forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com0 -
And the posters who moan about this only mention the English so the Welsh and the Northern Irish are presumably just Scotch mist . Or maybe saying English just includes them in these posters' minds. Tells us all we need to know about who's being arrogant.
The measure is absolutely not aimed at the Welsh or Northern Irish. They're just collateral damage. It's a racist policy aimed directly to harm English people.“The ideas of debtor and creditor as to what constitutes a good time never coincide.”
― P.G. Wodehouse, Love Among the Chickens0 -
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