Cyclists and road traffic signals...

Iceweasel

Johno100 wrote: »

Wow, clutching at straws or what!

If that is correct then a lot of UK traffic laws and regulation ought to have been amended to reflect this in the last 46 years.

Not at all - The RTRA recognizes bicycles as vehicles.

For example the sign showing a motor-bike above a car - means no motor vehicles - obviously allowing human-powered vehicles.

The standard 'No Entry' sign applies equally to all vehicles including bicycles.

The 'No Vehicles' sign (plain white circle with a red border) allows for bicycles being pushed by a pedestrian - so therefore a bicycle not being pushed is included in the prohibition - so therefore when being ridden it's a vehicle.

No straws need be clutched.

boliston

Iceweasel wrote: »

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The 'No Vehicles' sign (plain white circle with a red border) allows for bicycles being pushed by a pedestrian - so therefore a bicycle not being pushed is included in the prohibition - so therefore when being ridden it's a vehicle.

No straws need be clutched.

There is a newly pedestrianised road near my home which forms part of my route to and from work by bicycle and there is a "no vehicles" sign but underneath it says "except for access" as traffic still needs to use the road to gain access to a car park for one of the town's largest hotels. As well as a steady stream of traffic to and from the car park there is also a steady stream of cyclists so I wonder why they did not just make it "no motor vehicles" rather than "no vehicles" on the basis that the motor vehicles present a far greater risk to pedestrians than the cyclists.

brat

Pedal cycles have always been vehicles as far as the law is concerned.

Iceweasel

boliston wrote: »

There is a newly pedestrianised road near my home which forms part of my route to and from work by bicycle and there is a "no vehicles" sign but underneath it says "except for access" as traffic still needs to use the road to gain access to a car park for one of the town's largest hotels. As well as a steady stream of traffic to and from the car park there is also a steady stream of cyclists so I wonder why they did not just make it "no motor vehicles" rather than "no vehicles" on the basis that the motor vehicles present a far greater risk to pedestrians than the cyclists.

I would be getting your local cycle group (there will be one or perhaps several) to lobby the council for the addition of a replacement sign underneath saying 'except for cycles and access'.

brat

Johno100 wrote: »

Wow, clutching at straws or what!

If that is correct then a lot of UK traffic laws and regulation ought to have been amended to reflect this in the last 46 years.

Give an example of any one law that needs amending to reflect this.

boliston

Iceweasel wrote: »

I would be getting your local cycle group (there will be one or perhaps several) to lobby the council for the addition of a replacement sign underneath saying 'except for cycles and access'.

Does not bother me as there is probably about 0% risk of the police targetting cyclists unless they ride recklessly, such as weaving at speed between pedestrians. I guess it could put some cyclists off using the road though.

Marvel1

Johnnytwostep wrote: »

I pay for the roads they drive!!!

It's pollution tax :wall:Cars in band A don't pay either.

Norman_Castle

cjdavies wrote: »

It's pollution tax :wall:Cars in band A don't pay either.

Its an incentive to encourage the purchase of lower polluting vehicles. Not a tax on pollution.

The post you quoted wasn't serious.

dacouch

It was nice to see the Met and City Police restarting the policing of Red Lights again.

As a cyclist and driver it would be so much better if all cyclists stop at traffic lights.

jay213

I think they should set up small cycle lanes on the pavements / not on the roads. Maybe even let you ride on normal pavements (maybe exclude the Road Bike guys)

How many times have you heard about a somebody being killed by a cyclists riding on the pavement?

How many cyclists have been killed on the roads?

I've been at some red lights and cars can't wait to drive past you when the light changes, coming very close. Sometimes these red lights are quite safe to ride past, when there are no junctions or people crossing but the rule is to stop. The you got to compete with the car driver, bus, motorbike drivers who don't want to be stuck behind you as the light changes as you're slower then them.