Petition to abolish PIP !

Indie_Kid

I am better off under PIP too.

kittykat17

There are a lot of good reasons to keep PIP, or at least the idea of PIP. The thing that needs sorting is the very long delays in getting a decision. Whatever the reasons and whoever's at fault if it wasn't for the delays PIP could and should be a good thing. People are having to wait far too long for decisions, MR's & appeals. If that could be resolved and the assessments / assessors improve then, yes, PIP should continue. I've been waiting nearly a year for my decision which is totally unacceptable!

McKneff

Do you want to tell us why you want to abolish PIP please.

help4help2013

spam on toast is lovely

jga1940

See message #199 in this thread: https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4991220 That explains why I felt it necessary to put an e-petition on the Downing St website !

Jim ( retired Welfare Rights Lawyer)

DomRavioli

jga1940 wrote: »

See message #199 in this thread: https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4991220 That explains why I felt it necessary to put an e-petition on the Downing St website !

Jim ( retired Welfare Rights Lawyer)

So it is purely the time delays - that isn't a good enough reason to get rid of something which works - the implementation of PIP has been horrendous, but it has helped literally thousands already, and will continue to do so.

rogerblack

DomRavioli wrote: »

So it is purely the time delays - that isn't a good enough reason to get rid of something which works - the implementation of PIP has been horrendous, but it has helped literally thousands already, and will continue to do so.

It's quite reasonable to point out that it's also hurt quite a lot.
The government is meeting its target of spending 80% less on PIP than DLA.
There are winners, but there are more losers than winners.

Indie_Kid

DomRavioli wrote: »

So it is purely the time delays - that isn't a good enough reason to get rid of something which works - the implementation of PIP has been horrendous, but it has helped literally thousands already, and will continue to do so.

I'm sure it was the same when ESA was rolled out. And possibly the same with every other new benefit...

rogerblack

Indie_Kid wrote: »

I'm sure it was the same when ESA was rolled out. And possibly the same with every other new benefit...

No, it was not.
PIP is _SUBSTANTIALLY_ worse than the implementation of ESA was.
Initially ESA rolled out, and there were no significant delays - everyone was assessed within around 13 weeks, and the decision followed fairly promplty.
Appeals were taking about 12 weeks to process.

(numbers from memory).
PIP is a comedic ******* joke in its implementation.
The government are saying 'woe is us' - and trying to excuse their performance by claiming that the assessments are taking more time than expected (around one and a half times) and 30% more people than expected are needing face to face assessments.

Those that can do basic maths will realise that that should mean that the assessment rate should be around one half of what it should be.

It's not even at a quarter.
Non terminally ill people are waiting well over six months on average for a decision.

The government has 250 million or so of money that is owed, but has not been paid, as the people who will qualify have not been assessed.
Likely around 5 million of that may not be paid at all as the claimant will die.

jlawrence

I'm not going to even contemplate claiming PIP. Why put yourself through that much stress only to find that the DWP assessor writes down a load of lies about you. And to top it up, you wait 12 months to be told that you don't have any disabilities. No thanks, something for the seasoned benefit claimant and not for the novice.