Parking Eye PCN at Morrisons

Coupon-mad

I would say point 1(a) is not written for Parking Eye, it's not quite right. I think you can get rid of 1a and just start point 1 with:

1. The Charge is Not a Genuine Pre Estimate of Loss
The charge of £100 is being sought for an alleged...


Also because you've used a UKCPM template - rather the usual Parking Eye one that you could in fact have just pretty much copied from the examples in 'How to win at POPLA' in post #3 of the NEWBIES thread - the signage paragraph isn't quite right either. This isn't true of PE signage:

The sign and the Parking Charge Notice are ambiguous and contradictory. On the Parking Charge Notice the sum is stated as a 'contravention' for 'breaching the terms and conditions' yet the sign misleadingly alleges a 'contractual' sum. If so, there would be a payment mechanism and a VAT invoice. There is none. This is not a transparent contract and is a disguised penalty.


My advice would be to adapt the usual ParkingEye version from the NEWBIES thread, just removing 'in the dark' and 'unlit' references, if your PCN was in daylight.

trinidadone

OK, I have found another template. I clicked directly on the PE link for this one?

Re: ParkingEye PCN, reference code xxxxxxxxxx
POPLA Code:

I am the registered keeper and I wish to appeal a recent parking charge from ParkingEye. I submit the points below to show that I am not liable for the parking charge:

1) No genuine pre-estimate of loss
2) No standing or authority to pursue charges nor form contracts with drivers
3) The signage was not readable so there was no valid contract formed
4) The ANPR system is unreliable and neither synchronised nor accurate

1) No genuine pre-estimate of loss
This car park is a free carpark. Having received the Penalty Charge Notice in the post I checked the signage and it seems that up to 2 hours is free would so the only recoverable sum under the POFA 2012 is the sum of the alleged 'outstanding' parking charge = £0 at the most.

In ParkingEye v Smith at Manchester County Court in 2011, claim number 1XJ81016, the original claim of £240 was deemed an unrecoverable penalty, unrelated to damages incurred and the only sum that could be recovered was deemed to be £15 (the amount of the pay and display fee for more than one visit). The entirety of the parking charge must be a genuine pre-estimate of loss in order to be enforceable. As the PCN sum is massively inflated over and above £0, I require ParkingEye to submit a breakdown of how this sum was calculated prior to the parking event, as being capable of directly flowing from a minor alleged breach.

The ParkingEye Notice to Keeper alleges 'breach of terms/failure to comply' and as such, the landowner/occupier (not their agent) can only pursue liquidated damages directly flowing from the parking event. This might be, for example, a reasonable sum based purely upon the alleged lost parking revenue, or even loss of retail revenue at a shopping centre if another car was prevented from parking. However, this is not the case because the occupants of the car recall that the car park was approximately half full on arrival and almost empty when the driver left.

The Operator cannot reasonably claim a broad percentage of their entire business running costs as they operate various different arrangements, some where they pay a landowner a huge amount akin to a 'fishing licence' to catch motorists and some where they have pay and display, and others which are free car parks. Given that ParkingEye charge the same lump sum for a 30 minute overstay as they would for 3 hours, and the same fixed charge applies to any alleged contravention (whether serious/damaging or trifling), it is clear there has been no regard paid to establishing that this charge is a genuine pre-estimate of loss caused by this incident in this car park.

The DfT Guidance and the BPA Code of Practice require that a parking charge for an alleged breach must be an estimate of losses flowing from the incident. ParkingEye cannot change this requirement so they have no option but to show POPLA their genuine pre-estimate of loss for this charge, not some subsequently penned 'commercial justification' statement they may have devised afterwards (since this would not be a pre-estimate):

The British Parking Association Code of Practice uses the word 'MUST':
"19.5 If the parking charge that the driver is being asked to pay is for a breach of contract or act of trespass, this charge must be based on the genuine pre-estimate of loss that you suffer.''

Neither is this charge 'commercially justified'. In answer to that proposition from a PPC which had got over-excited about the ParkingEye v Beavis small claims decision (now being taken to the Court of Appeal by Mr Beavis anyway) POPLA Assessor Chris Adamson has stated in June 2014 that:

''In each case that I have seen from the higher courts,...it is made clear that a charge cannot be commercially justified where the dominant purpose of the charge is to deter the other party from breach. This is most clearly stated in Lordsvale Finance Plc v Bank of Zambia [1996] QB 752, quoted approvingly at paragraph 15 in Cine Bes Filmcilik Ve Yapimcilik & Anor v United International Pictures & Ors [2003] EWHC Civ 1669 when Coleman J states a clause should not be struck down as a penalty, “if the increase could in the circumstances be explained as commercially justifiable, provided always that its dominant purpose was not to deter the other party from breach”.

This supports the principle that the aim of damages is to be compensatory, beginning with the idea that the aim is to put the parties in the position they would have been in had the contract been performed. It also seems that courts have been unwilling to allow clauses designed to deter breach as this undermines the binding nature of the initial promise made. Whilst the courts have reasonably moved away from a strict interpretation of what constitutes a genuine pre-estimate of loss, recognising that in complex commercial situations an accurate pre-estimate will not always be possible, nevertheless it remains that a charge for damages must be compensatory in nature rather than punitive.''


2) No standing or authority to pursue charges nor form contracts with drivers

I believe that this Operator has no proprietary interest in the land, so they have no standing to make contracts with drivers in their own right, nor to pursue charges for breach in their own name. In the absence of such title, ParkingEye must have assignment of rights from the landowner to pursue charges for breach in their own right, including at court level. This has not been produced by the operator in their rejection statement so I have no proof that such a document is in existence. I contend that ParkingEye merely hold a bare licence to supply and maintain (non compliant) signs and to post out 'tickets' as a deterrent. A commercial site agent for the true landholder has no automatic standing nor authority in their own right which would meet the strict requirements of section 7 of the BPA Code of Practice.

I therefore put ParkingEye to strict proof to provide POPLA and myself with an unredacted, contemporaneous copy of the contract between ParkingEye and the landowner. This is required so that POPLA and myself can check that it allows this Operator to make contracts with drivers themselves and provides them with full authority to pursue charges, including a right to pursue them in court in their own name. Please note that a witness statement to the effect that a contract is in place will not be sufficient to provide sufficient detail of the contract terms (such as revenue sharing, genuine intentions of these restrictions and charges, set amounts to charge for each stated contravention, etc.). In any case, ParkingEye's witness statements have been exposed as photocopy templates from clients who may well have no knowledge of any individual parking event and the signatory may never even have seen the contract.

3)The signage is not readable so there was no valid contract formed between ParkingEye and the driver
The only signs are up on poles which does not communicate full contractual terms & conditions. Any upright signs were not seen by the occupants of the car. I believe that ParkingEye place their signs so high that terms would only be legible if a driver got out of a car and climbed a stepladder, to try to read them. Any photos supplied by ParkingEye to POPLA will no doubt show a misleading close up camera and the angle may well not show how high the signs are. As such, I require ParkingEye to state the height of each sign in their response and to show contemporaneous photo evidence of these signs.

Unreadable signage breaches Appendix B of the BPA Code of Practice which states that terms on entrance signs must be clearly readable without a driver having to turn away from the road ahead. A Notice is not imported into the contract unless brought home so prominently that the party 'must' have known of it and agreed terms beforehand.

4) The ANPR system is unreliable and neither synchronised nor accurate
If ParkingEye's ANPR records are completely reliable (which I contest) then this Operator claims the car was parked for around 40 minutes more than the time paid for. And yet their evidence shows no parking time, merely photos of a car driving in and out which does not discount the possibility of a double visit that day. It is unreasonable for this operator to record the start of 'parking time' as the moment of arrival in moving traffic. The exit photo is not evidence of 'parking time' at all and has not been shown to be synchronised to the same parking event that day.

This Operator is obliged to ensure their ANPR equipment is maintained as described in paragraph 21.3 of the BPA Code of Practice and to have signs stating how the data will be stored/used. I say that Parking Eye have failed to clearly inform drivers about the cameras and what the data will be used for and how it will be used and stored. If there was such a sign at all then it was neither lit nor prominent, since the driver did not see it. I have also seen no evidence that they have complied with the other requirements in that section of the code in terms of ANPR logs and maintenance and I put this Operator to strict proof of full ANPR compliance.

In addition I question the entire reliability of the system. I require that ParkingEye present records as to the dates and times of when the cameras at this car park were checked, adjusted, calibrated, synchronised with the timer which stamps the photos and generally maintained to ensure the accuracy of the dates and times of any ANPR images. This is important because the entirety of the charge is founded on two images purporting to show my vehicle entering and exiting at specific times. It is vital that this Operator must produce evidence in response and explain to POPLA how their system differs (if at all) from the flawed ANPR system which was wholly responsible for the court loss recently in ParkingEye v Fox-Jones on 8 Nov 2013. That case was dismissed when the judge said the evidence from ParkingEye was fundamentally flawed because the synchronisation of the camera pictures with the timer had been called into question and the operator could not rebut the point.

So, in addition to showing their maintenance records, I require ParkingEye to show evidence to rebut the following assertion. I suggest that in the case of my vehicle being in this car park, a local camera took the image but a remote server added the time stamp. As the two are disconnected by the internet and do not have a common "time synchronisation system", there is no proof that the time stamp added is actually the exact time of the image. The operator appears to use WIFI which introduces a delay through buffering, so "live" is not really "live". Hence without a synchronised time stamp there is no evidence that the image is ever time stamped with an accurate time. Therefore I contend that this ANPR "evidence" from the cameras in this car park is just as unreliable and unsynchronised as the evidence in the Fox-Jones case. As their whole charge rests upon two timed photos, I put ParkingEye to strict proof to the contrary and to show how these camera timings are synchronised with the pay and display machine.

I request that my appeal is allowed.

Yours faithfully,




Mr xxxxxxxxxxx {registered keeper's name...}

Coupon-mad

Yep that's good, only this bit (below) jumped out at me as needing to be removed from the signage point if your PCN wasn't in the dark:

This would include the signs being lit - and it can be seen from ParkingEye's own photos of an isolated number plate, that the entrance (where signs must be clear) was in fact not clear.

Dee140157

Was just about to post after I checked something and C-M beat me to it. Look forward to hearing about a no show at POPLA from PE. The. You can happily give the boss the £30 back! And teach him/her how not to pay a parking charge notice!

trinidadone

OK, I think we are done for this appeal. I have taken out completely the sentence by coupon-mad (please see above).

I am going to apply online. I notice there are four clear reasons to appeal. I assume I mark box three "the parking charge (ticket) exceeded the appropriate amount?

I would be most grateful if Dee140147 or Coupon Mad can read one more time before I submit? to refresh your memory, I over stayed in a Morrisons car park which was free.

Lastly how long do you think I will need to wait for a response by POPLA? and I assume they respond by email?

Dee140157

C-m has okayed it so it is good to go now with those words missing.
Tick all but the stolen car one.

You should hear in about 6 -8 weeks.

Coupon-mad

Yep that's fine, tick 3 out of 4 appeal reason boxes. POPLA should respond by email with a suggested date of the decision which will be about 6 weeks ahead. If PE bother to send an evidence pack they have to send it to you as well but usually they don't bother, and you win anyway.

trinidadone

Thanks for the response Coupon-mad for the advise. Thanks also for the information. First time appealing against a parking ticket. I will past and email my appeal today, and will check back with a response. Thankyou for the info

trinidadone

I was meant to receive a response to the appeal from POPLA on or "around" the 18th August, noithing yet, do i need to be concerned?

Coupon-mad

Nope they are running a week or two late.