Earthship Legal Issues

Ectophile

rash161 wrote: »

No, the answer to government is violent revolution. You have to fight extremists with extreme measures. If you stand for election, you'll just become the next tyrant.

If you look back at history, violent revolution usually just replaces one dictatorial government with another. Look at the Russian revolution, or more recently, the revolution in Egypt.

It very rarely solves anything.

zeupater

Ectophile wrote: »

If you look back at history, violent revolution usually just replaces one dictatorial government with another. Look at the Russian revolution, or more recently, the revolution in Egypt.

It very rarely solves anything.

Hi

I agree and simply add this pretty well known, but often misquoted, excerpt for reference ... "Many forms of Gov­ern­ment have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pre­tends that democ­racy is per­fect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democ­racy is the worst form of Gov­ern­ment except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time." (Churchill 1947).

HTH
Z

rash161

Martyn1981 wrote: »

Again, a little distasteful given the recent anniversary of the D-Day landings.

I have no intention of being tasteful or respectful to your government, your monarchy or the military that does their dirty work.

I'll refrain from listing all of the countries that these people have invaded.

Martyn1981 wrote: »

Then surely you must be stuck in a quandary? You wish, through violence, to take away a structure of governance, accepted, respected*, and relied upon by the vast majority of people. So as to impose your own personal choice. Shirley, denying others what they want, is in itself, a form of 'rule or control'.

It's a fascist system and fascism must be destroyed.

tunnel wrote: »

On a serious note, surely this is a wind up, why even bother to ask about the legal implications of something that you have no intention of taking any notice of.

Why is everything on the Internet that people don't agree with "a wind up" or "trolling" as soon as someone can't come up with anything against it anymore?

I am entirely serious in my beliefs and my intentions. I have an idea of what the regulations are that might get in the way, what I was hoping for was a bit of discussion on ways of possibly getting around them. What I didn't hope for or expect was a bunch of house slaves getting all defensive about their precious little government.

zeupater wrote: »

So it looks like we have a conflicted soul claiming to be an anarchist, who works, saves money, wants to be a property owner and use the un-anarchic law of trespass to deny others access to private land whilst conveniently taking no notice of rules which apply to that land, wants to have nothing to do with the power grid and still uses computers and seems to profess to know a little about their inner working and likely plays games on a PS3 .... and on and on .... and apparently is attempting to cause similar disruption on other areas of the forum too ... and then, wait for it, is a little sensitive about being stereotyped (?) .... :think: .... I can certainly understand why :exclamati ....

I work because I need to in order to eat because that's what the capitalist system, which I didn't ask for and didn't agree to forces people to do. I save money because I don't want to buy your pathetic little products that encourage your sick society of destruction and inequality. I will use any of your laws against your system in order to bring it down or simply to live my life in peace since your officials are all too cowardly and weak to do anything but quote little pieces of paper, I will never use any law against another, normal resident of this planet, it's a class war.

I use a computer, I use a custom GNU/Linux distro where I've stripped out all of the proprietary spyware and other malicious code that your disgusting corporations try to force upon the people, I also block all of their online adverts for their products. I use a computer for education, activism and assessing the opposition, the Internet isn't necessarily a bad thing as a concept but it has now been ruined by corporations. The Internet has its own issues, many are quite compatible with Anarchism, though in reality, we may not have an Internet in an Anarchist world, fine by me. However, we might actually decide as a species that we'd like a method of distributing educational materials for free across the world in an instant, it depends on how much people want it and if they're willing to keep it going. Do you actually know anything about FSF/GNU/Linux/Open Source? If you don't, have a look into it if you're not too afraid to find out that things can be done differently to what you're usually spoon fed by the state and its repeaters since childhood.

I don't know why you'd mention PS3, Sony use DRM and should be boycotted.

zeupater wrote: »

Don't you just love those who profess anarchism in their youth whilst not yet realising that they are even more likely to make a complete 'U-turn' and join the ranks of the capitalist middle classes when they 'grow-up' than almost any other member of society .... Anarchy in the UK ?

Youth? Other way around, I was part of the system, then I educated myself about the terrible things that the system does. The Sex Pistols are not and never were punk and certainly not anarchists, they're a manufactured pop band, I'm pretty sure the Anarchy In The UK song was actually just a really bad line that John Lydon came up with, presumably he was too drugged up or drunk to come up with anything decent.

zeupater wrote: »

Excuse me sir, I'm an anarchist, if you wouldn't mind old fellow, please get off my land, there's a nice gentleman ..... :rotfl:

I don't call people sir because that's a deeply rooted part of the problem, I'm not a sir and neither are you, we're all equal. If anyone approaches my land without hostile intent, I'll happily welcome them, if they're hostile, I'll deal with them.

zeupater wrote: »

yes, but only when I've saved enough to buy some land and build a house ... and connect it to the mains ... and have a broadband connection ... oh, don't forget my smartphone ... eek, and the contract ... "that reminds me, I must tax the car on-line in the morning or we'll not be able to go into town at the weekend to see that tribute band you like - the 'six pistols' isn't it ? ... lights out, now dear, did you remember to put the cat out ?" ....

Do you propose that I steal the land instead?...you're seemingly a supporter of the British Government so I wouldn't put it past you, after all, it's what your government and your inbred monarchs have done for centuries. I am opposed to property ownership, especially when it comes to land but I know and accept that most other people don't feel that way. There's also laws that you have which fit in with my beliefs too, I don't agree with murder and harming others for no reason. However, we don't need a million different laws, you might think we do, that's because you were told so by the state and were stupid enough to agree, or simply couldn't be bothered to argue against it or question it which is the same thing in my opinion. All we need to consider as a rule to live by is that we don't harm others, don't force others to do things etc. All of the planning laws and the majority of other laws are not necessary, they're only written to keep useless people in a job.

You do realise that politicians, royals, judges etc are all useless don't you? You realise that they're all physically and mentally weak and wouldn't last 5 minutes without the society that they've created? They're only at the top because they made it that way and you were all stupid enough to agree to it, why agree to it? You're nothing, you're a slave as am I, they appease you with junk products and the promise that you might one day be like them, you'll NEVER, EVER be like them, that's how it's been designed and that's how it will always be if we allow them to continue. There is no authority but yourself, there is no authority without conformity.

Now, I'm being more than reasonable, I am willing to buy land since we're forced to live with capitalism and that's a key component of it, I don't want to connect it to the mains, I don't want an Internet connection, I don't want a smartphone, I've never had a contract, I don't want a car and I certainly don't want to watch a Sex Pistols tribute band. Why is it so difficult to comprehend that just because I have a computer and an Internet connection now that I don't want one for the rest of my life? Or that my life would somehow not be worth living if I didn't have it tomorrow, nevermind in a couple of years? I use the Internet to my advantage in the most ethical way possible, it's not a part of my long term plan and I certainly wouldn't lose any sleep over not having it. I understand that people have been encouraged to have addictive personalities and the majority of you are addicted to Facebook, sugar, alcohol and other toxic junk but that's certainly not me.

I don't want to kill anyone, I don't want to rip anyone off, I don't want to steal from anyone, I don't want to force anyone to live like me, I just want a small piece of land and to live on it in whatever structure (or lack of) that I want without being harassed and attacked by fascists. I don't want you or anyone else to do anything for me, if I do, I'll pay for it, I don't want help, I don't want protection. Is that really so bad? Will that disrupt your little consumerist world too much?

I'm not leeching from anyone now and I won't be in the future. I leech off the system because I have a computer and an Internet connection? I'm a leech because I BOUGHT a laptop, with cash, not on credit, I use software which is legally free, I pay for an Internet connection and all of this in a house that I pay for? I've never claimed anything from you or your government and I never will, I've never used the NHS since childhood when it was out of my control, I've since de-registered from it as much as is possible (they won't let you do it entirely). I pay taxes for all of you to party it up with unnecessary polution, promoting racism and misogyny, spreading toxic chemicals around the air for the purpose of vanity, recreational drugs, going to see a doctor every 5 minutes and breeding like a disease to perpetuate your destructive ways.

But you say that I'm bad? You say that I'm unreasonable? I want very, very little, most of you want the world, yet you're perfectly happy to destroy it.

lstar337

rash161 wrote: »

I pay taxes for all of you to party it up with unnecessary polution, promoting racism and misogyny, spreading toxic chemicals around the air for the purpose of vanity, recreational drugs, going to see a doctor every 5 minutes and breeding like a disease to perpetuate your destructive ways.

Yep, because that's what we all do. :T

Ken68

I wonder what happened to the hippie yurt dwelling communities in the 70's.
The idea was to buy some woodland and as long as they moved the yurt a yard or two each year, they were exempt from taxes.

rash161

lstar337 wrote: »

Yep, because that's what we all do. :T

Not everyone does and it is currently impossible to avoid it all entirely but if you don't oppose it, you're just supporting it.

Ken68 wrote: »

I wonder what happened to the hippie yurt dwelling communities in the 70's.
The idea was to buy some woodland and as long as they moved the yurt a yard or two each year, they were exempt from taxes.

I've seen some info on that, as well as some signs that it does still happen sometimes but I'm looking for something with a bit more design for energy production/consumption and things like that, also something a bit more permanent.

You'd think the government would encourage me really? I want to be environmentally friendly...more environmentally friendly than any of their schemes that they come up with to beg for votes and I don't want anything from them, I'm saving these idiots money.

Ken68

Best to stay in the system, Rash and keep a low profile.
I tried to drop out in the mid 70's and when that failed and I wanted back in, all hell broke loose.
Took ten years to get back on track.
My advice is go self sufficient, better with some land on which to grow food and trees.

zeupater

Ken68 wrote: »

Best to stay in the system, Rash and keep a low profile.
I tried to drop out in the mid 70's and when that failed and I wanted back in, all hell broke loose.
Took ten years to get back on track.
My advice is go self sufficient, better with some land on which to grow food and trees.

Hi

I pretty much agree with that sentiment. We've effectively taken that approach ourselves, have comparatively little environmental impact (likely a tiny proportion of that of the OP) but still remain as a part of society making our own contributions in order to fulfil the moral & ethical contract which we have with family, friends & society as a whole.

I just can't fathom the reasoning behind a 'me, me, me' political stance as evidenced by the OP on this thread .... a self confessed activist for what or who ? ... who's behind it - a leader, a financier, or is it a group who vote on the next step/action (hold on, doesn't this describe government in the forms of dictatorship, oligarchy, plutocracy or dare I say, democracy, amongst others ?) .... an anarchist who wants to conform because it's convenient ? .... obviously reasonably well educated, well, up to the point where ego promoted itself and became a self-centred closed-minded teacher that is ....

For one who doesn't want to impose personal views on others and simply wants answers regarding an eco-building, the OP isn't doing very well. Much like the government so vehemently opposed, the relevance of the question is completely lost within political hot air and bluster, and the answer passes well over the head of one unprepared to listen.

HTH
Z

tunnel

Here you go, no planning permission required

http://web.orange.co.uk/article/quirkies/Dad_creates_Hobbit_Hole_for_children

rash161

zeupater wrote: »

We've effectively taken that approach ourselves, have comparatively little environmental impact (likely a tiny proportion of that of the OP)

Please elaborate, I'm interested in how you come to that assumption

zeupater wrote: »

but still remain as a part of society making our own contributions in order to fulfil the moral & ethical contract which we have with family, friends & society as a whole.

Ok, this is the point, I disagree with the majority of what society does. I don't think there's anything moral or ethical about society.

zeupater wrote: »

I just can't fathom the reasoning behind a 'me, me, me' political stance as evidenced by the OP on this thread

It isn't "me, me, me", it's just not "you, you, you", why should I pay for you to do things that I think are morally and ethically wrong? I've told you, I want very little, I'm not asking to be given anything.

zeupater wrote: »

.... a self confessed activist for what or who ? ... who's behind it - a leader, a financier, or is it a group who vote on the next step/action

Nobody, and that's what people struggle to understand I think. No Gods, No Masters.

tunnel wrote: »

Here you go, no planning permission required

A larger scale of that is actually pretty close to one thing I have in mind