Earthship Legal Issues

zeupater

rash161 wrote: »

Society doesn't actually set its rules, democracy is an illusion, representative democracy is not good enough, it's only a slight improvement over hereditary rule. People just go around in a trance assuming we have real democracy because that's what the TV told them. Anyway, I didn't agree to be a part of it, I'm increasingly seeing that I'm not compatible with the typical lifestyle in this country and that's why one of my options is to get out.

I have an idea, I'm looking for clarification on what is likely to be an issue as well as ways of getting around it all, ultimately looking at whether we want to do this in this country or go to a better country.

That site just shows typical box shaped houses with a sloping roof on top, I don't want that, I don't see why I should be forced to have that.

No, really...are we that far gone as a species that people really can't see how they could exist without government? If it catches fire and only our stuff is destroyed, we'll deal with it, if other people's stuff is destroyed, we'll be responsible for it, since we're capable of understanding risk, we don't need to be cotton wool wrapped. If we fall ill, we have natural medicine to deal with it, if that doesn't work, then ultimately we die, I already live my life without the NHS and modern medicine, in that respect things would be no different. This is a big philosophical/spiritual thing that's too difficult to explain to most people, especially in text form but I don't put humanity above everything else in the universe, I'm not into preserving human life (including my own) at any cost. I've been getting rid of possessions over the last few years and now have very little, if we go ahead with this I'll have almost nothing by the time we do it, no computers, they use too much power, if I got robbed today I wouldn't call the police so what's the difference? Haven't got kids and to be honest I'm fed up of paying for everyone else to breed. Benefits/pension, same response as healthcare.

In summary, I don't want your NHS, I don't want your benefits, I don't want your power grid, I don't want your Internet, I don't want your fire service and I certainly don't want your police and armed forces. If I get hurt or I die, it's MY responsibility, it's my fault and nobody elses. I don't require a computer, a mobile phone, a television or anything like that, I obviously have a computer, I'd quite happily go without it. And yes, I really mean all of that. I'm an adult, I'm not a student, I work and I reluctantly pay taxes for everyone else to have all of the above and a lot more, before anyone thinks of applying any stereotypes.

I don't intend for this thread to be a political rant but discussing being off-grid usually comes up with the usual "but what about..." stuff that isn't really required for my lifestyle anyway so I feel it's best to make my opinion clear.

The only ideology that I consider to be radical is the dominant one of a murderous, destructive, hierarchical society that's determined to destroy the world and everything on it for the purpose of ego and vanity.

This has been my thought and is high on the cards, hence why it's in the original post, I think England is probably beyond help at this point and it might just be best to get out now.

How can they actually check if I don't allow them onto my land? Do you know what earthships are? I can't post links because I'm new here and the forum doesn't allow link posting for new accounts. But have a look at examples of them, they can be pretty well conceiled from above, especially in a wood.

Fine by me, the only correspondence that I get is capitalists begging for money. We don't need much power, in fact, we don't really NEED any really, what we want we can generate, if we fail to generate it, tough luck. Water falls from the sky, it's not a problem in this country but might be more of a serious consideration if we do this in another country.

I don't see why I should prove anything to anyone, especially some work-shy desk jockey that has no value to the world other than oppressing people. If I'm not hurting anyone, I accept all risks to myself, accept all responsibility for my actions and I'm doing everything on land that I own, what's the problem?

Hi

So much angst, so little reasoning and so much self contradiction ... the answer to government is to be inclusive & vote, or better still, stand for election ... however, I've come across so many who simply complain vehemently whilst doing neither. Anarchy vs democracy isn't new, so it's not really as radical as many hold it to be within their own mind-set .... the experimental cauldron which was the Ancient-Greek city states stirred this around amongst almost every conceivable form of social cohesion millennia ago and it lost out to an inevitable view that some form of government/leadership was necessary (whether that be monarchy, dictatorship, democracy or anything else) at a very early stage, but there are always "those who fail to learn from history ...."

As you say, you're "looking for clarification on what is likely to be an issue as well as ways of getting around it all", but the question might as well be phrased as ... If I commit a crime can I be guaranteed to get away with it ?, so is the likely answer any different ?

As an aside, whilst not intending "for this thread to be a political rant " it's certainly looking to be focussed as being an ideological one. A simple opening post asking for advice regarding earthships would have sufficed, combined with the ability to actually 'listen' to the answers which are forthcoming. Taking a little time to look at the links provided would provide all of the relevant information which you seek regarding the most pressing legal issues ... these not only apply to your description of "typical box shaped houses with a sloping roof on top", but absolutely any shape which you could possibly conceive, whether permanent or temporary ...

If you want help, then ask the question, if you don't like the correct answer, tough, but don't attempt to wrap the issue up in a load of existentialism faecal matter for "the purpose of ego and vanity."

HTH
Z

rash161

zeupater wrote: »

Hi

So much angst, so little reasoning and so much self contradiction ... the answer to government is to be inclusive & vote, or better still, stand for election ...

No, the answer to government is violent revolution. You have to fight extremists with extreme measures. If you stand for election, you'll just become the next tyrant.

MFW_ASAP

rash161 wrote: »

I don't want your power grid, I don't want your Internet,

How are you posting on here then?

A clockwork morse code key wired through to MoneysavingExpert Towers where MSEMartin is sat with a pen and paper converting the dots and dashes to letters that MSEGavin then types into the computer?

Martyn1981

rash161 wrote: »

No, the answer to government is violent revolution. You have to fight extremists with extreme measures. If you stand for election, you'll just become the next tyrant.

I don't believe that violence is ever the answer, and certainly not the initial step.

And to use extreme measures to fight extremists would surely only create a self fueling cycle of ever greater violence, that goes on and on, or round and round ...... possibly the 'revolution' you were hoping for.

If you want to build an eco home, then go for it. The Grand Designs earthship episode was very interesting, I've watched it several times. But to rant on about violence hardly seems fitting as it's neither Green nor Ethical, just distasteful.

Mart.

PS Several decades ago a few friends of mine subscribed to an anarchist magazine. I always found it odd that it came out every two weeks, rather than at random intervals! M.

rash161

MFW_ASAP wrote: »

How are you posting on here then?

A clockwork morse code key wired through to MoneysavingExpert Towers where MSEMartin is sat with a pen and paper converting the dots and dashes to letters that MSEGavin then types into the computer?

Because I'm discussing future living arrangements? Obviously I have a computer now.

Unlike many anarchists, I have consideration for "transitional phases". I use only free software on my computer as the free software movement is the only ethical form of computing and has many things in common with Anarchism and Communism.

Martyn1981 wrote: »

I don't believe that violence is ever the answer, and certainly not the initial step.

And to use extreme measures to fight extremists would surely only create a self fueling cycle of ever greater violence, that goes on and on, or round and round ...... possibly the 'revolution' you were hoping for.
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Sadly the only thing that has stopped the imperialist brits throughout history is violence, that's how fascism is usually defeated. I have no desire to rule over or control anyone and I think that anyone that does has serious problems.

Martyn1981 wrote: »

PS Several decades ago a few friends of mine subscribed to an anarchist magazine. I always found it odd that it came out every two weeks, rather than at random intervals! M.

Then you probably don't understand what Anarchism actually is.

There's nothing wrong with releasing something at regular or random intervals, it doesn't harm anyone to do either of those things so just get on with it.

Everyone does seem to be quite OCD about lots of things though, it can be funny to mess with people's heads like that, try reading out a phone number to someone in groups of numbers of inconsistent sizes :rotfl:

lstar337

rash161 wrote: »

Because I'm discussing future living arrangements? Obviously I have a computer now.

Unlike many anarchists, I have consideration for "transitional phases".

So you just want to leech off the system until you get what you want and then opt-out. How ethical of you.

rash161

lstar337 wrote: »

So you just want to leech off the system until you get what you want and then opt-out. How ethical of you.

How do I leech off the system? Read my previous posts and stop using stereotypes.

Martyn1981

rash161 wrote: »

Sadly the only thing that has stopped the imperialist brits throughout history is violence, that's how fascism is usually defeated.

Again, a little distasteful given the recent anniversary of the D-Day landings.

rash161 wrote: »

I have no desire to rule over or control anyone and I think that anyone that does has serious problems.

Then surely you must be stuck in a quandary? You wish, through violence, to take away a structure of governance, accepted, respected*, and relied upon by the vast majority of people. So as to impose your own personal choice. Shirley, denying others what they want, is in itself, a form of 'rule or control'.

Also, as an anarchist, who accepts a fluxing and flowing of views (rather than a fixed state), you should on occasions flow (or flex) into democracy, if only to check that you're still right. Unless you are able to sit in both states at the same time, perhaps whilst stroking your quantum cat (or should that be the box it is in).

*democracy, that is, not any particular political party.

Whatever your beliefs, the best of luck with them, and the worst of luck too, just in case I inadvertently cause you offence.

Mart.

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I know of a lovely 2nd hand tree not to many miles from me in the middle of Sherwood forest that could house several people, it's not been used in a while and could do with a grand designs makeover to bring it up to date.


On a serious note, surely this is a wind up, why even bother to ask about the legal implications of something that you have no intention of taking any notice of.

zeupater

Hi All

So it looks like we have a conflicted soul claiming to be an anarchist, who works, saves money, wants to be a property owner and use the un-anarchic law of trespass to deny others access to private land whilst conveniently taking no notice of rules which apply to that land, wants to have nothing to do with the power grid and still uses computers and seems to profess to know a little about their inner working and likely plays games on a PS3 .... and on and on .... and apparently is attempting to cause similar disruption on other areas of the forum too ... and then, wait for it, is a little sensitive about being stereotyped (?) .... :think: .... I can certainly understand why :exclamati ....

Don't you just love those who profess anarchism in their youth whilst not yet realising that they are even more likely to make a complete 'U-turn' and join the ranks of the capitalist middle classes when they 'grow-up' than almost any other member of society .... Anarchy in the UK ?, yes, but only when I've saved enough to buy some land and build a house ... and connect it to the mains ... and have a broadband connection ... oh, don't forget my smartphone ... eek, and the contract ... "that reminds me, I must tax the car on-line in the morning or we'll not be able to go into town at the weekend to see that tribute band you like - the 'six pistols' isn't it ? ... lights out, now dear, did you remember to put the cat out ?" ....

Excuse me sir, I'm an anarchist, if you wouldn't mind old fellow, please get off my land, there's a nice gentleman ..... :rotfl:

HTH
Z