Sharing/conflict resolution at nursery school?

thorsoak

I have already told you: your views smack of bigotry. You wish to impose your views on others, to change the status quo because you do not like it.

If you feel so strongly about the situation, I suggest you raise the debate locally with other parents, and let the majority decide. If the majority agree with you, then you take it further. If the majority do not agree with you, you accept it. That is democracy. Of course, you can try and change the attitude of the majority, but you cannot impose the ethics of one person on the majority.

notanewuser

thorsoak wrote: »

I have already told you: your views smack of bigotry. You wish to impose your views on others, to change the status quo because you do not like it.

So I'm bigoted for having no faith, but those who educate and/or believe in that faith can give no reason (never mind a good one) why it should be part of daily school life. Interesting. :think:

peachyprice

notanewuser wrote: »

It wouldn't just be me I'd be changing the world for though, would it?

I do wonder how many other parents would be bothered about it if they knew (we were only told because we asked) or either haven't thought about it or aren't bothered by it.

I'm not bothered by it because I don't feel I have any right to force my athesist views on my children. If being taught christianity along with other religions leads them to a better understanding of what they want to believe so be it, it's not my place to influence them one way or another.

As for children being indoctrinated, in the watered down version of christianity 'worshipped' in English schools the majority of children will see the teachings as nothing more than stories unless the same are reinforced at home.

thorsoak

notanewuser wrote: »

So I'm bigoted for having no faith, but those who educate and/or believe in that faith can give no reason (never mind a good one) why it should be part of daily school life. Interesting. :think:

No, not because you have no faith but because you feel that your views are more important than the views of other people - you seem to be belittling those who do have a faith of any sort.

notanewuser

peachyprice wrote: »

I'm not bothered by it because I don't feel I have any right to force my athesist views on my children. If being taught christianity along with other religions leads them to a better understanding of what they want to believe so be it, it's not my place to influence them one way or another.

As for children being indoctrinated, in the watered down version of christianity 'worshipped' in English schools the majority of children will see the teachings as nothing more than stories unless the same are reinforced at home.

Have you read the thread?

We're not influencing DD at all.

We're talking about Welsh schools, not English.

notanewuser

thorsoak wrote: »

No, not because you have no faith but because you feel that your views are more important than other peoples.

Not true. My complaint is with the lack of choice. If you want religion to play a part in your child's life you can choose a faith school, do it at home, attend church with them or whatever.

If you prefer an education free from daily doctrine, you can keep your child at home.

So whose views are being prioritised here?

I'm seeking to find a balance, that's all.

(Let's not forget, I myself attended a church secondary school. I can't give you any particular pros of it, so I'm genuinely interested in its value in non-denominational schools.)

lostinrates

peachyprice wrote: »

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As for children being indoctrinated, in the watered down version of christianity 'worshipped' in English schools the majority of children will see the teachings as nothing more than stories unless the same are reinforced at home.

I think this is important.

Nanu, you survived school not indoctrinated, as did your oh, as did the parents you are certain wouldn't want this.

I went to a faith school where religion was very much on the agenda and have survived BUT am respectful o much, in retrospect, that it gave me. Like your household, my household is half Jewish and that's cultural rather than religious in my dh's case. I feel our cultural faith backgrounds have enriched our lives without demanding from us.

I WiSH I believed sometimes, but I don't. There is the option of celebrating nothing, We choose the one of celebrating things often. Christian, Jewish, pagan, whatever, national brassica day should we feel like it. Life is too short to see division in these things rather than enjoy the beauty in them and accept belief isn't for us but is, in its best form,rather a wonderful thing. I can celebrate that and feel joy in it. Your dd's strongest influence will be from home. A mixed faith background in an atheist home is going to be well balanced against any indoctrination.

notanewuser

lostinrates wrote: »

I think this is important.

Nanu, you survived school not indoctrinated, as did your oh, as did the parents you are certain wouldn't want this.

I went to a faith school where religion was very much on the agenda and have survived BUT am respectful o much, in retrospect, that it gave me. Like your household, my household is half Jewish and that's cultural rather than religious in my dh's case. I feel our cultural faith backgrounds have enriched our lives without demanding from us.

I WiSH I believed sometimes, but I don't. There is the option of celebrating nothing, We choose the one of celebrating things often. Christian, Jewish, pagan, whatever, national brassica day should we feel like it. Life is too short to see division in these things rather than enjoy the beauty in them and accept belief isn't for us but is, in its best form,rather a wonderful thing. I can celebrate that and feel joy in it. Your dd's strongest influence will be from home. A mixed faith background in an atheist home is going to be well balanced against any indoctrination.

Thank you. It was my grandfather that was Jewish. Despite his death 18 years ago there are still some "things" my non-Jewish grandmother does that one day she'll explain to DD (and my mum and I will tell stories of him too). So it's not a daily influence by any means (apart from the Jewish cheesecake, of course!) but still one that will no doubt influence my nan's funeral (for example).

mountainofdebt

I was baptised, confirmed and married in a CoE (well Church in Wales Church if I'm completely honest)

But I love thought for the day when the Lord Rabbi Sachs presents it and I had made me a candlestick that isn't a menorah but is in the style of a menorah .......to which Junior asked if we were now Jewish.

For me I'm not religious but I have observed Lent for the last couple of years. Does that make me religious I don't know - I know it doesn't make me superior to anyone though.

Having said that though it did upset me when a former work colleague talked about 'all this giving up stuff in Lent rubbish' - don't ask me why it just did

peachyprice

notanewuser wrote: »

Have you read the thread?

We're not influencing DD at all.

We're talking about Welsh schools, not English.

You would be influencing her if you asked for her to be removed from all religous worship, What would you tell her if she asked why she was the only child removed from the class at that time?

Yes, I know you are talking about Welsh schools, but I can only relay my experience in English schools (you should have said if you only wanted people with knowledge of Welsh schools to respond to your thread). I still don't think that children can become indoctrinated from religion in school unless the same were being enforced at home and your child still has the right to choose for herself regardless of whether she is in Wales or England.