ebay unpaid item case opened against me

gik

No thought not...I've nothing to hide...seems others have though.

prowla

shanejosephdonnelly wrote: »

Prowla- seeing as you know what the item is do you think that the postage is a reasonable amount? Do you think it is likely for the seller to have to pay £15 to send the item to you?

The item measures 4.5x45x25 cm and weighs 3 kg, excluding box & packing.

A quick look on the RM site suggests that £15 is in the right ball park. Given that ebay charge fees on the shipping too I think that the seller could even be making a loss.

But that £15 is a lot more of my money than it costs me to take a 2-3 mile detour off a road I was driving along anyway.

likelyfran

prowla wrote: »

I responded to your comment that the seller could be sick of people asking them questions, and showed why I think that is unlikely.

As I said, the ebay rules allow for a variation by mutual consent, which requires a dialogue; that is within the rules of ebay usage, and so perfectly valid.

In fact as a general case, most contracts can be varied by mutual consent. And of course, to do that you have to have a discussion.

I've now adopted the position that if the seller can't/won't reply to me then how can I be confident that they will make the effort to actually post my item?

(Of course, as I've said many times, it may simply be that they haven't checked their messages; if they've only 4 transactions in the past year, they may not login regularly and/or spot the messages.)

Yes, in this case, before you bid, as bidding is an agreement by you that you will pay if you win the item.

likelyfran

Parity wrote: »

I'd love for Martin to have a look over this thread. Would he be happy to give money to a merchant who refused to answer a basic question?

Our OP has not reneged on any contract, he's just not happy to part with his hard-earned dosh before he gets a response from the seller.

Martin says we should challenge, question and negotiate as necessary to get the best result - a shared management of sale. Our OP has not at any point said he would not pay postage costs, he just wants an answer to his question. I salute his wisdom in withholding payment until he gets a response from the seller. He may well meet with "No, I won't accept collection in person", at which point, I agree, he would be obliged to pay postage.

As for those who are saying things like 'time is money', 'the seller has had problems before so are avoiding the issue', etc etc etc. What the hell are you doing here? Why did you join this forum? This bloke is just asking if he can pick up an item rather than paying postage, as he is passing by the area. You should be supporting him! If you don't agree, then you should find a new troll-hole to inhabit!

Perhaps this is a case for MSE's Money Moral Dilemma/Money Moral Maze? I think I'll submit this case as a good topic for a larger audience.

And you are an experienced ebayer???? _pale_

All well and good, but have some sense of the right time to negotiate - and some common sense and the good manners and consideration to pay exactly what you have already agreed to pay!

And, yes, larger audience - good. I've already wondered about a poll on this one!

prowla

likelyfran wrote: »

Yes, in this case, before you bid, as bidding is an agreement by you that you will pay if you win the item.

Nope; you are making that up.

The agreement is only entered into after the auction has ended, and therefore the agreement can only be varied after that point.

And be clear, I am not asking the seller to reduce the money they're going to get (ie. the final bid price), but only for an alternative means of delivery (ie. collection), which is cost-neutral.

UsernameAlreadyExists

gik wrote: »

No thought not...I've nothing to hide...seems others have though.

I've edited my own posts that linked to your "failed" ebay ID's that you posted. Edit your own. For goodness sake think about what you're doing.

gik

likelyfran wrote: »

gik, I'd give the ebay id thing up.
It's not advisable for people to post their ebay id's on here and it's a side-issue that's going round in useless circles.

Nobody other than me has had the balls to post their ebay ID

UsernameAlreadyExists

likelyfran wrote: »

And you are an experienced ebayer???? _pale_

All well and good, but have some sense of the right time to negotiate - and some common sense and the good manners and consideration to pay exactly what you have already agreed to pay!

And, yes, larger audience - good. I've already wondered about a poll on this one!

Honestly? You're saying that? This is MSE. Have you never dealt via ebay as a shop window, but dealt outside of it?
Shame on you.


My rating is "X" ... do you really think I've only sold "X"?

likelyfran

UsernameAlreadyExists wrote: »

And he's happy to pay 99p. There's a question over the postage though.

No there isn't. There could have been before he bid and won at the stated conditions.
I once got left a negative by a silly b!nt who won a fabulous bargain from me for 99p and around £6.95 postage as I remember (heavy & Special Delivery).
She bid, won, and THEN baldly asked me to lower the postage as it was 'too much' and with not too much politeness either.
I then refused to do business with her further on this basis, think transaction was cancelled, can't remember.
I had no problem at all with sending her the fabulous bargain for 99p as she had won it fair and square but her rudeness and 'chancerness' annoyed me.
She should have asked the postage question before bidding and winning and in my view it was rude to see the terms and conditions, disagree with them, and then bid anyway.
She left me a negative saying 'postage too high'.
So, she'd gone about things the wrong way, was unreasonable, and then flung a negative at a seller because of her own stupidity.
I spoke to ebay, they agreed with me that she'd agreed to the postage conditions as stated and removed the neg straight away.

UsernameAlreadyExists

likelyfran wrote: »

No there isn't. There could have been before he bid and won at the stated conditions.
I once got left a negative by a silly b!nt who won a fabulous bargain from me for 99p and around £6.95 postage as I remember (heavy & Special Delivery).
She bid, won, and THEN baldly asked me to lower the postage as it was 'too much' and with not too much politeness either.
I then refused to do business with her further on this basis, think transaction was cancelled, can't remember.
I had no problem at all with sending her the fabulous bargain for 99p as she had won it fair and square but her rudeness and 'chancerness' annoyed me.
She should have asked the postage question before bidding and winning and in my view it was rude to see the terms and conditions, disagree with them, and then bid anyway.
She left me a negative saying 'postage too high'.
So, she'd gone about things the wrong way, was unreasonable, and then flung a negative at a seller because of her own stupidity.
I spoke to ebay, they agreed with me that she'd agreed to the postage conditions as stated and removed the neg straight away.

What part of Prowla's posts strikes you as rude?
He's not causing fuss ... the seller is. They need only respond.