Transferred ticket

Annie1960

zipmonster wrote: »

Thanks for the advice. I will wait for the letter from the PCC and take it from there. I think my only chance for an outright win with POPLA will be the GPEOL.

Or, you could redact the ticket? This seems to be the preferred method of PPCs!

Better, though, to use the normal POPLA arguments.

Coupon-mad

zipmonster wrote: »

Thanks for the advice. I will wait for the letter from the PCC and take it from there.


I think my only chance for an outright win with POPLA will be the GPEOL.

- Or the fact they don't own the car park and won't show the contract - you'll be saying 'no authority/standing' to POPLA.

- or the fact they won't send a compliant NTK (they will send a random 'final demand' or summat) so you'll be saying 'no keeper liability' to POPLA.

it seems that everything is stacked against me for a successful outcome.

Totally disagree!

Essingeviken

I think you can be 99.9 per cent certain they do not own the car park.

Another alternative - which I am sure that many here disapprove of - is to write to them and offer them, say, £20 in full and final settlement without admitting any liability. There is a cost to you of a very lengthly process with POPLA. Given that your actions were not entirely 100% morally correct, I might be inclined to do this on this occasion.

Dee140157

The information above is confusing.

There is NO financial cost to you going to POPLA. It is free for the driver. There is however a cost to the PPC, which is one of the reasons we love to see them losing at POPLA. Once appeal is sent off, you can sit back, relax and know you will win is you appeal on all the right legal points. Not circumstances. A win should pop through your inbox/door in about 8 weeks time.

I wouldn't advise offering payment. They will reject it anyway.

zipmonster

Thanks Dee,

I have decided to wait for the NTK letter from the PCC. I will then follow the procedure detailed in the NEWBIES section. I will keep you posted of my progress.

Dee140157

Just to be clear, POPLA is the second stage appeal, not the first to the PPC. You haven't done this yet as you haven't had the NTK. It will arrive soon.

zipmonster

Just had the standard formal demand from Armtrac security, it falls outside the timescales for NTK (PCN issued 27.5/14). I will send the standard template as the keeper of the vehicle, they probably will not send me a POPLA code as they want me to sign a declaration of who was driving the car!! In addition i intend to complain to the BPA for them not following their COP.

Stroma

Make the complaints that they are demanding the driver details as well, make the complaints to the dvla also, copy the letter they sent you to them. The dvla has warned parking companies over this

Herzlos

Essingeviken wrote: »

Producing the ticket won't help as it is clear you have transferred it.

Or you've just entered the wrong registration number; lots of people drive a few cars and it's easy to confuse the registrations.

Since they've been too late for the NTK to be valid anyway, it's not going to get that far; they've no grounds for court.

Dee140157

This is a prime example of why we always say to wait for NTK unless it is a hire car etc. There is always the chance , as has actually happened here, that they won't send the NTK within the time frame required by law for keeper liability. So there is no way they can take this further.

When you send in appeal, add a point d ( or you could make it point a and bump the others down) that there is no keeper liability since the NTK was received on day xx which is outside the time frame demanded by POFA12. Or better words to that effect. There is probably and example here somewhere!