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The rise of Extremism in Economically tough times
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Graham_Devon wrote: »It can be measured yes. It just has been, at the ballot box....which is what this thread is about.
The problem with that Graham, is that perception can be rather different to reality....“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »It can be measured yes. It just has been, at the ballot box....which is what this thread is about.
The ballot box measures opinion not reality.0 -
If you follow my links above, you'll see your opinion is generally found to be wrong by almost every economist in the world.
If all the economists in the world agree on something, they must be wrong!
I'm dubious about this. It stands to reason that just like free trade the fact that on average everyone is better off doesn't mean that for an individual person it can't make them worse off.“The ideas of debtor and creditor as to what constitutes a good time never coincide.”
― P.G. Wodehouse, Love Among the Chickens0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »As I said, it's more than just jobs. Many people find their local community changing. They find they can't get school places. They find jobs pay less and less.
Its a combination of many things.
And suggesting that everyone else is wrong simply because immigration increases GDP levels,
If GDP/head remains the same or slightly increases due to immigration, as every study I'm aware of has shown, then jobs paying less isn't due to immigration. As we've established, immigration increases demand for labour at least at a rate of 1:1.
If GDP/head remains the same or slightly increases due to immigration, as every study I'm aware of has shown, then a lack of school places comes from the Government misallocating tax resources. There is a greater amount of tax to support a greater number of school places.
As for people that don't like living around foreigners......0 -
The ballot box measures opinion not reality.
EVERY poll measures opinion.
If we are just suggest that votes do not count because they are based on opinion, then we also have to assume that the economists referenced on this thread also do not count, as they too, are based on opinion.0 -
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Graham_Devon wrote: »EVERY poll measures opinion.
If we are just suggest that votes do not count because they are based on opinion, then we also have to assume that the economists referenced on this thread also do not count, as they too, are based on opinion.
No, the economists' work is based on empirical evidence.0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »Carry on....What about them?
People who don't like foreigners are xenophobes by definition.
Most xenophobes are racists.
I bet that's got you priapic.0 -
No, the economists' work is based on empirical evidence.
Evidence which DOESN'T take in social factors.
ONLY financial. Neither does it take in how the financial "evidence" is spread. If only the wealthy benefit, then those not benefitting are not going to find comfort in the fact that some wealthy people are getting wealthier.
It's a bit like saying the average pay for a company has gone up £2k a year. But when looking at the figure you find only the two directors have had a pay rise. The 98 staff underneath them have got nothing.
The 98 staff are going to be jumping for joy that there has factually been an increase in wages in the company. Their opinion is going to be that they are WORSE OFF even though as a company the average pay makes them look better off.
Facts are not the be all and end all.0
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