driving slow : your views ?

nobbysn*ts

Strider590 wrote: »

Actually I think that overtaking depends on who your overtaking and whether they know what your planning or not.

Which is why I usually perform the "stealth overtake", I stay away from the centre line, stay back from the car in front and don't indicate before pulling out.
Because 80%+ of drivers don't like being overtaken, your best bet is almost always to keep your intentions invisible until the last second.

You can't complain if they put out to overtake as well, and stuff you in the hedge.

Jamie_Carter

IanMSpencer wrote: »

Thank you. That shows conclusively that you have never read Roadcraft, understood it, taken an advanced driver's course or passed any advanced drivers' course and makes me curious as to why you think you know better than the authors of Roadcraft or my instructors or my examiner. Recall that our little spat started with your "Who told you that?" and since then you have continuously said that I don't understand a book that you have clearly never read. Seriously, for you to be right and me be wrong, you'd have to re-write 20 odd pages of Roadcraft.

So I think it is now appropriate to ask who told you the above? It sounds like the sort of thing someone would say who believes that they are a good driver without ever having been on any course other than a discussion with mates.

The Roadcraft system is not entirely intuitive, not what people might expect so it is not surprising to me that you are wary of my comments, and I may not have translated everything perfectly, but the system is very different from what you describe.



Incorrect again. It could only be someone who holds a driving licence with the name I M Spencer, as you would know if you'd done a test, as you have to present your driving licence. I won't embarrass you further by uploading a scan of my certificate.

I can assure you that I am qualified to a far higher level than any IAM qualification.


If you are IAM qualified as you claim, then you really do need a retest.


I have had to deal with the results of many people who overtake the way you believe to be safe.

Jamie_Carter

nobbysn*ts wrote: »

You can't complain if they put out to overtake as well, and stuff you in the hedge.

I think they were just trying to stir things up

matttye

For better or worse, I've started to undertake drivers now when I think they're misusing the overtaking lane(s).

Yesterday someone was in the overtaking lane in a 70mph section of the dual carriageway travelling at about 60mph, and it was going to be a good 20 or so seconds before she passed the lorry she was overtaking. So I undertook her and overtook the lorry.

If people didn't get into the overtaking lanes so early, people wouldn't do things like this.

The only time there's any need to move out into the overtaking lane early is when there's a lot of traffic coming up behind you and you don't want to get stuck behind the slow vehicle as all the traffic overtakes.

nobbysn*ts

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

I think they were just trying to stir things up

No, he meant it. I take it you haven't seen his home movies of him driving on youtube?

Iceweasel

matttye wrote: »

The only time there's any need to move out into the overtaking lane early is when there's a lot of traffic coming up behind you and you don't want to get stuck behind the slow vehicle as all the traffic overtakes.

So what would you do if the 'slow' vehicle(s) are doing around 65mph - you are doing a genuine 70mph and the traffic coming up behind are doing somewhere around 80mph.

I think we have come full circle with this thread

There was a poster recently advising that the 3rd lane was for drivers doing 75 upwards and overtaking at only a few mph more than the vehicle you were overtaking was 'taking the pi$$'.

I have concluded over the years that the folks who exceed the speed limit have only contempt for those who do not overspeed and see them in the same light as those who drive 'too slow'.

UK motorways are full of the 'Get out of my way types'.

nobbysn*ts

matttye wrote: »

For better or worse, I've started to undertake drivers now when I think they're misusing the overtaking lane(s).

Yesterday someone was in the overtaking lane in a 70mph section of the dual carriageway travelling at about 60mph, and it was going to be a good 20 or so seconds before she passed the lorry she was overtaking. So I undertook her and overtook the lorry.

If people didn't get into the overtaking lanes so early, people wouldn't do things like this.

The only time there's any need to move out into the overtaking lane early is when there's a lot of traffic coming up behind you and you don't want to get stuck behind the slow vehicle as all the traffic overtakes.

20s is about 500yds at 60mph. Safe overtake is what, two cars length front and back? Say 25 yds at 10mph difference. So 6 seconds to undertake. Then you're 300 yds away from the truck. All to save a the 3s if would have lost you to drive at 60 rather than 70 for 500yds? Probably not worth the undertake.

roonaldo

IanMSpencer wrote: »

I've been doing this Internet thing for a few years now, in fact been doing forums since 1990.

Wow, the World Wide Web started in 1991, not commonly available until mid 1990's.

matttye

Iceweasel wrote: »

So what would you do if the 'slow' vehicle(s) are doing around 65mph - you are doing a genuine 70mph and the traffic coming up behind are doing somewhere around 80mph.

I think we have come full circle with this thread

There was a poster recently advising that the 3rd lane was for drivers doing 75 upwards and overtaking at only a few mph more than the vehicle you were overtaking was 'taking the pi$$'.

I have concluded over the years that the folks who exceed the speed limit have only contempt for those who do not overspeed and see them in the same light as those who drive 'too slow'.

UK motorways are full of the 'Get out of my way types'.

I'd move out early like I said before. The traffic coming up behind me can slow down if necessary until I move back over.

nobbysn*ts wrote: »

20s is about 500yds at 60mph. Safe overtake is what, two cars length front and back? Say 25 yds at 10mph difference. So 6 seconds to undertake. Then you're 300 yds away from the truck. All to save a the 3s if would have lost you to drive at 60 rather than 70 for 500yds? Probably not worth the undertake.

It was worth it just not to have to disengage the cruise control. Also, I said that it was in a 70mph section of the dual carriageway, not that I was actually doing 70. I was cruising at 80.

nobbysn*ts

matttye wrote: »

I'd move out early like I said before. The traffic coming up behind me can slow down if necessary until I move back over. .........

Exactly the same as the attitude of the driver you undertook then?