Transfer Test AQE 2014-2015

sca11ion

flymetothemoon wrote: »

Furby 76 congrats to you & your son.

Brilliant score for one of the youngest kids doing the tests. You should be so proud as very few children achieve 120 or more in these tests.

Hi Furby1976 and flymetothemoon

One other thing - we were told that the AQE scores range up to 149 (although 'highest scores' in last few years have been 129) - so was wondering what needs done to get 149. Furby's youngest (well done) getting 94% in a very late month only 121? (and that included 98.4 in the second test) would be interesting to hear from the person who reported 124.

It's all acadamic really (for want of a better expression)

furby1976

flymetothemoon wrote: »

Furby 76 congrats to you & your son.

Brilliant score for one of the youngest kids doing the tests. You should be so proud as very few children achieve 120 or more in these tests.

Thank you - you are very kind. Yes he did very well- it is a tough journey to get through All the kids did brilliantly - as the prep up to it is such a hard work and they are all so young!

RikM

I'm kind of perturbed by the pattern seen in the scores. It looks like the assertion that children are "standardised" by being compared to others in the same period of age is correct. Which strikes me as full of dangerous assumptions.
I suspect there's not going to be enough children in one of those age groupings, to even out statistically, which makes it a bit of a lottery. Did this group have more bright children than that group? I'd be happier with some sort of adjustment based on researched differences in attainment by age. Level the playing field, rather than making it randomly bumpy.
Still, 6 or 7 years until child 2 has to go through all this. Maybe things will change.

ni-mum

sca11ion wrote: »

Hi Furby1976 and flymetothemoon

One other thing - we were told that the AQE scores range up to 149 (although 'highest scores' in last few years have been 129) - so was wondering what needs done to get 149. Furby's youngest (well done) getting 94% in a very late month only 121? (and that included 98.4 in the second test) would be interesting to hear from the person who reported 124.

It's all acadamic really (for want of a better expression)

A few years ago my son's raw score was 96% yet he 'only' got 117 (May birthday).

sca11ion

ni-mum wrote: »

A few years ago my son's raw score was 96% yet he 'only' got 117 (May birthday).

jeepers ni-mum - I would honestly have thought that 96% would bring better than 117 AQE. At least we have a bit of parent power through this forum now to get a bit more transparency.

Roll on next year, my next one will be going through it again (whatever it is by then) in Nov 2017.

And good luck to all parents / children when the school places are announced in May. Not sure why it takes so long to work it out. Maybe they don't have a computer and one lonely AQE person is working it out all by him or herself with a pencil.

Sparkles41

Hi
My son is a July Birthday and his scores were 58, 61 and 57. His AQE score was 117. Hope this is helpful.

thestack

sca11ion wrote: »

jeepers ni-mum - I would honestly have thought that 96% would bring better than 117 AQE. At least we have a bit of parent power through this forum now to get a bit more transparency.

Roll on next year, my next one will be going through it again (whatever it is by then) in Nov 2017.

And good luck to all parents / children when the school places are announced in May. Not sure why it takes so long to work it out. Maybe they don't have a computer and one lonely AQE person is working it out all by him or herself with a pencil.

I'm don't think AQE have anything to do with the school placements. My understanding is the primary schools send the transfer applications to the Education & Library Boards who then send them out to the 1st choice schools, they apply their entrance criteria & return any application not acceptable back to the Education & Library Board who send them to the 2nd choice school who apply their entrance criteria & if a 2nd choice application meets the criteria better than 1 of the 1st choice applications then the 2nd choice application gets a place. The 1st choice application is then returned to the Education & Library Board who send it out to the 2nd choice school etc etc. This continues through the 3rd & 4th choice schools until all children are placed. Unfortunately a 4th choice application can bump a 1st choice application out if it meets the criteria better. A principal at my local school said it can take up the beginning of May before he knows the definite details if his pupils!!!

motherearth

Just recieved my daughter raw scores.
JULY birthday
P1 51
P2 49
P3 51
Aqe score 105

Hope this helps

flymetothemoon_2

RikM wrote: »

I'm kind of perturbed by the pattern seen in the scores. It looks like the assertion that children are "standardised" by being compared to others in the same period of age is correct. Which strikes me as full of dangerous assumptions.
I suspect there's not going to be enough children in one of those age groupings, to even out statistically, which makes it a bit of a lottery. Did this group have more bright children than that group? I'd be happier with some sort of adjustment based on researched differences in attainment by age. Level the playing field, rather than making it randomly bumpy.
Still, 6 or 7 years until child 2 has to go through all this. Maybe things will change.

RikM I totally agree with you that this standardisation system makes unsound assumptions and is therefore a lottery, I am even more convinced of this when I see mothearths DDs best 2 papers adding to give 102 but aqe score was 105 with July birthday this is out of sync with others and is inexplicable. My DSs best 2 papers added to give 103 and his aqe score was also 103 so no increase in his aqe score and he is 6 or 7 months younger. Makes no sense to me and the more I see the more unreliable it appears to be.

attritioner

flymetothemoon wrote: »

I am even more convinced of this when I see mothearths DDs best 2 papers adding to give 102 but aqe score was 105 with July birthday this is out of sync with others and is inexplicable. My DSs best 2 papers added to give 103 and his aqe score was also 103 so no increase in his aqe score and he is 6 or 7 months younger, birthday end January. Makes no sense to me and the more I see the more unreliable it appears to be.

The conclusions that are being drawn here are incorrect. Post 565 states that standardised results are computed per paper not using the two ‘highest’

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=67677025&postcount=565

thesecretteacher wrote: »

“A pupil whotakes all three tests will have three age-standardised scores (one for each paper). The average of the best two scores is computed for each pupil.These scores are then reported on adistribution with mean 100 and standard deviation 15. This means that when norm-referenced test scores are converted tostandard scores, the children are competing with the other children in their age range and not with the test.”

Some problems with the comparisons that are being presented here are that (1) you only have the overall standardised score (not for each paper), (2) you don't know the average score in each paper, and (3) you are lumping together the best 2 scores and working out the average from that.