The Coming Zombie Robot Driving Apocalypse of You

lostinrates

cells wrote: »

Worse case is you buy a self drive car that is yours and you own it.

you are still better off as insurance bill will be lower, fuel bill lower, accidents lower and less traffic and faster speeds.

There is no negative over what exists today

the potential positives are however huge. To the tune of tens of billions and maybe upto £100B a year each year in just the UK

Of all the propositions this ( for those that can afford it) seems most feasible.


I'm not saying anything. I'm not a foreseer, but I am considering what others are saying and thinking about it. It was, I think Gen, who said it would go one of two ways, and one was rural living would be more expensive or for the rich only ( a hot topic in rural communities , particularly ones like mine, a much larger village than my last with very mixed socio economic community but perhaps also in ones with less mixed socio economic communities who its perceived want to keep it that way...).

Rather than making points of my own I'm merely responding to others.


initial ideas of fleets of 6 for villages of fifty, or the idea people in rural communities car share when by the nature of many locations com uniting isn't as linear as one might expect when you make a comparison of market towns or train lines etc is unrealistic. Its possible to how they wouldn't work NOW and interesting to think of what changes would look like in a future where they did work. Some suggestions sound more dystopian than beneficial.

We know self drive is NOT unrealistic and is coming.

But that this could, the scenario us proposed here considered, that this could indeed have tremendous impact on planning and zoning and that some more forethought should be put into this.

cells

cells wrote: »

See my last post showing an example of a current private human car costing 35p a mile vs a private robo car costing 21p a mile

doesn't matter where you live. In central London or in navada desert the costs fall they don't go up with robo cars. This os where I am failing to understand what your point is at all. Im not even disagreeing im saying I don't know what ot is your saying (although I think you are saying robo cars will make rural living harder and or more costly...which I think is the complete opposite of what is likely)

To add to my point above. Robo cars make goods and service provision in rural areas cheaper and hence available.

Eg it probably isn't viable to have a small store cater for a village of 50 homes. The store plus its staff couldn't make a living selling to just 50 homes.

but imagine a robo van with high volume consumer goods and food. It goes to village A and sits there for one hour. Say 8am to 9am. The villages know this and go buy their milk and bread and whatever else is high volume goods. The van then drives to the next village and sits there an hour. Say from 10.30 -11.30. The villagers know this and go get whateber it is they need. Then it moves onto the next village. It does this for maybe 10 villages before goinf back to depo and restocking really for tomorrows run which will be a separate 10 villages. and then it returns to the original village.

that is 20 villages that have a small store every other day now whereby they didn't before.


20 village stores with 20 staff in 20 expensive buildings isn't vianle so small villages dont have a village shop. But a self drive robo shop utilised between 20 villages probably would be viable amd more productive than said villagers driving to the nearest town (it would reduce the need to do that but not get rid of it)

Also this van can do deliveries from specific orders be it ebay or amazon or tesco

lostinrates

cells wrote: »

To add to my point above. Robo cars make goods and service provision in rural areas cheaper and hence available.

Eg it probably isn't viable to have a small store cater for a village of 50 homes. The store plus its staff couldn't make a living selling to just 50 homes.

but imagine a robo van with high volume consumer goods and food. It goes to village A and sits there for one hour. Say 8am to 9am. The villages know this and go buy their milk and bread and whatever else is high volume goods. The van then drives to the next village and sits there an hour. Say from 10.30 -11.30. The villagers know this and go get whateber it is they need. Then it moves onto the next village. It does this for maybe 10 villages before goinf back to depo and restocking really for tomorrows run which will be a separate 10 villages. and then it returns to the original village.

that is 20 villages that have a small store every other day now whereby they didn't before.


20 village stores with 20 staff in 20 expensive buildings isn't vianle so small villages dont have a village shop. But a self drive robo shop utilised between 20 villages probably would be viable amd more productive than said villagers driving to the nearest town (it would reduce the need to do that but not get rid of it)

Also this van can do deliveries from specific orders be it ebay or amazon or tesco

Great, if you are not at work or otherwise occupied in your village's time slot. Seems it would offer limited choice in goods too.

it might be a replacement for tesco/oc ado what ever deliveries or co op independant shops to get one for local deliveries.

cells

lostinrates wrote: »

Of all the propositions this ( for those that can afford it) seems most feasible.


I'm not saying anything. I'm not a foreseer, but I am considering what others are saying and thinking about it. It was, I think Gen, who said it would go one of two ways, and one was rural living would be more expensive or for the rich only ( a hot topic in rural communities , particularly ones like mine, a much larger village than my last with very mixed socio economic community but perhaps also in ones with less mixed socio economic communities who its perceived want to keep it that way...).

Rather than making points of my own I'm merely responding to others.


initial ideas of fleets of 6 for villages of fifty, or the idea people in rural communities car share when by the nature of many locations com uniting isn't as linear as one might expect when you make a comparison of market towns or train lines etc is unrealistic. Its possible to how they wouldn't work NOW and interesting to think of what changes would look like in a future where they did work. Some suggestions sound more dystopian than beneficial.

We know self drive is NOT unrealistic and is coming.

But that this could, the scenario us proposed here considered, that this could indeed have tremendous impact on planning and zoning and that some more forethought should be put into this.

What I have learnt over the years is that these things take a lot longer to get to market than is possible becuase there is always resistance from the various layers of government to any form of change. Compare this to periods like ww2 when the box tickers are told to f.off and you have whole new industries or technologies built in just months.

so I wouldn't quite change planning policy in anticipation just yet. It could well be 30 years out. Although big infrastructure that will take decades to build and cost a fortune eg HS2 line should definitely consider the value and viability in a world with robo cars

cells

[QUOTE=lostinrates;674nothingreat, if you are not at work or otherwise occupied in your village's time slot. Seems it would offer limited choice in goods too.

it might be a replacement for tesco/oc ado what ever deliveries or co op independant shops to get one for local deliveries.[/QUOTE]


Its a lot lot better than nothing.

also said robo van could leave you a locked package with your order the night before and move on.

also I forgot one big big help for rural folk. The kids can be ferried about to school and back without the parents. So mum driving 40 mins to drop the kids off at the shool 30 moles away and then 40 mims back home to milk the chickens and check the cows have laid their eggs would become just putting the kids in the car with their lunch boxes. Saves mum 1h 20mins in the morning and also 1h 20 mins in the evening which is a massive 2h 40m a day saving. Plus the robo car and stay near the shool and picl the kids up at the end if mum doesn't need the car that day. Reducing the cars trip that day by 60 miles saving a good chunk of change in fuel and depreciation and maintiance etc

lostinrates

cells wrote: »

Its a lot lot better than nothing.

also said robo van could leave you a locked package with your order the night before and move on.

also I forgot one big big help for rural folk. The kids can be ferried about to school and back without the parents. So mum driving 40 mins to drop the kids off at the shool 30 moles away and then 40 mims back home to milk the chickens and check the cows have laid their eggs would become just putting the kids in the car with their lunch boxes. Saves mum 1h 20mins in the morning and also 1h 20 mins in the evening which is a massive 2h 40m a day saving. Plus the robo car and stay near the shool and picl the kids up at the end if mum doesn't need the car that day. Reducing the cars trip that day by 60 miles saving a good chunk of change in fuel and depreciation and maintiance etc

Rural school kids get buses.


My husband mentioned these cars today as he had a job offer which would involve some time in a place that would be a pig ( unworkably so) by public transport for here. He wouldn't want to drive as that's lost time as far as he's concerned.

lostinrates

cells wrote: »

Its a lot lot better than nothing.

c

Urgh,:D

Here we are with the dystopian 'be grateful, you get something' future again.:D;)

globalds

lostinrates wrote: »

Rural school kids get buses.

THis will be a part of the savings ..

Rural transport is hugely subsidised ..Almost all public transport has great stretches of the day or journey that don't pay.
Imagine if you received 10 free trips a week instead of free bus pass at 60 ..or your kids had a school voucher system ..I think these would be far cheaper for most local authorities than the overly subsidised system we have.

This stuff sounds pretty revolutionary ..Because it is.
I am guessing there will be cheap way of travel ..the ryanair of the roads or there will be business or first class .

I have to admit my one down side is that I think if you are rich enough you will be able to pay to que jump ..normal traffic might be timed at junctions and or on motorway lanes to let supper premium payers get through first .

But this seems to be the way of the world

cells

globalds wrote: »

THis will be a part of the savings ..

Rural transport is hugely subsidised ..Almost all public transport has great stretches of the day or journey that don't pay.
Imagine if you received 10 free trips a week instead of free bus pass at 60 ..or your kids had a school voucher system ..I think these would be far cheaper for most local authorities than the overly subsidised system we have.

This stuff sounds pretty revolutionary ..Because it is.
I am guessing there will be cheap way of travel ..the ryanair of the roads or there will be business or first class .

I have to admit my one down side is that I think if you are rich enough you will be able to pay to que jump ..normal traffic might be timed at junctions and or on motorway lanes to let supper premium payers get through first .

But this seems to be the way of the world

The rich wouldn't get better results (ie faster or less waiting) as the existing infrastructure was built for 30m human cars. 10m robo cars would see no traffic and instant availability for all.

of course the poor man who wants to pay only 10p a mile might get a robo Ford arrive. The rich man who is happy to pay 50p a mile might get a Jag and there is nothing at all wrong with that

Generali

The Zombie Robot Apocalypse arrives in Milton Keynes:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/11382073/Roadtesting-Googles-new-driverless-car.html

On its screen we can see the car’s view of the world, a virtual street dotted with targets: pink boxes which denote cars for early destruction, yellow boxes that denote pedestrians for the roof mounted gun to shoot, red boxes that show cyclists that can be mown down. A green path shows us the intended route to glory and ultimate victory against the hated human oppressors of the machine race.