idiot motorway overtakers who cut in with just 2 car lengths gap

adouglasmhor

Tilt wrote: »

The above worthy of a 'thanks' from me.

But I stand by the fact that sitting in any lane other than a clear lane 1, should be a specific offence. Apart from anything else, such practice reduces a 3 lane motorway into a 2 lane one as you aren't supposed to overtake on the inside.

Hogging the middle lane simply shows that those who do it, how less competent drivers they are.

On a couple of bits of motorway round Glasgow I avoid lane one as lack of maintenance and heavy use by lorries have left it as comfortable to drive on as a cart track. I am talking visible ruts.

almillar

Norman Castle and arcon5

In this situation you should only flash your headlights to avoid an incident, not to make a statement

I'll go with your 'only avoiding an incident statement' - letting them know you're there, as in they've pulled in too quickly and not left enough distance, is potentially avoiding an incident, if, for example, they then have to brake sharply.

Having cars change lane 15 meters ahead is common on uk motorways.

Lots of things happen commonly. Doesn't make it right. Read the Highway Code on overtaking.

Why do you need to tell them you are there? They are not causing a danger to you, they are not a hazard - they are at best inconveniencing you as you have to unnecessarily change lanes to pass them.

I've already said why - they're in a lane they should not be in, and are causing another road user to change their course or speed - one of the primary rules of the road is not to do exactly that. Just because they don't leave a raging ball of fire traffic accident behind them doesn't mean they're driving well!

Iceweasel makes lots of good points and sounds like a good, responsible driver. I agree with his approch to the situation if that's what he wants to do. But not this part:

I make no attempt to re-educate them by using horn, lights or hand/finger gestures. All of those are either wrong / illegal / pointless use of the equipment or lowering myself to their level of inconsiderate behaviour.

I do genuinely flash some people and they move over, as if they were asleep or not paying enough attention. This is helpful to all road users. It's your own perogative whether you want to engage or not, but don't be so quick to criticise those that do.

londonTiger

flashing midle lane hoggers from behind is never ever helpful or useful. it's purely to display aggression to the driver in front

Are you even reading my posts? I'm trying to help you! In my experience it is OFTEN helpful or useful. Not ALWAYS but OFTEN, so I think it's worth it. How can I convince you that it's not an act of aggression?

Avoriaz

photome wrote: »

Why do you have to go straight to the second stage?

the first stage ie coming off the gas is achieved buy pressing the button on the steering wheel

Not sure I see a downside and I use CC a lot

Indeed. CC can be safer as you can maintain your speed while covering the brake pedal with your right foot if you see potential problems ahead that don't yet justify immediate braking or slowing.

If a situation does develop you can be quicker on the brakes than if you have to move your foot from the accelerator pedal.

I had CC on my previous car for nearly 20 years but don't have it now.

I miss it, especially on long runs.

Iceweasel

almillar wrote: »

Iceweasel makes lots of good points and sounds like a good, responsible driver. I agree with his approch to the situation if that's what he wants to do. But not this part:

I do genuinely flash some people and they move over, as if they were asleep or not paying enough attention. This is helpful to all road users. It's your own perogative whether you want to engage or not, but don't be so quick to criticise those that do.

I agree that flashing can be useful, but not the way that many use the facility- seemingly in an aggressive way

Perhaps I need to clarify a little.

I would flash lights if I come across someone in lane 2 who seems to be not interested in moving into lane 1.

But I'd only flash once and then, if I get no no response, I'd move out and overtake using lane 3.

Lots of drivers appear to be totally unaware of what is going on behind them

What I would not do is flash repeatedly and move up close behind them as I frequently see some others do.

I see that often on the M25 where impatient people, who are perhaps only travelling a couple of junctions, come upon a line of cars in lane 3 who are waiting for the lane to become clear, they appear in the mirror lights flashing like Blackpool illuminations and the cars in front have nowhere to go on the left due to volume of traffic.

The offender eventually zooms past only to cut across several lanes to get to their exit - just in time before missing it.

I try to avoid the M25 in the late afternoon.

Buellguy

Iceweasel wrote: »

I agree that flashing can be useful, but not the way that many use the facility- seemingly in an aggressive way

Perhaps I need to clarify a little.

I would flash lights if I come across someone in lane 2 who seems to be not interested in moving into lane 1.

But I'd only flash once and then, if I get no no response, I'd move out and overtake using lane 3.

Lots of drivers appear to be totally unaware of what is going on behind them

What I would not do is flash repeatedly and move up close behind them as I frequently see some others do.

I see that often on the M25 where impatient people, who are perhaps only travelling a couple of junctions, come upon a line of cars in lane 3 who are waiting for the lane to become clear, they appear in the mirror lights flashing like Blackpool illuminations and the cars in front have nowhere to go on the left due to volume of traffic.

The offender eventually zooms past only to cut across several lanes to get to their exit - just in time before missing it.

I try to avoid the M25 in the late afternoon.

Totally agree with this, although it didn't work on the M6 for me a couple of weeks ago with the person playing on his Ipad on the steering wheel at 70mph in the middle lane

BeenThroughItAll

arcon5 wrote: »

So you agree flashing them is for nothing more than self satisfaction rather than a legitimate purpose..

If your gonna flash them then fine, but let's not disguise that as something it's not

I suspect the sarcasm implicit within my post has gone over your head.

David_Aston

Can I ask, at what point does someone in the middle lane of a three lane motorway, gradually overtaking a succession of slower vehicles, become a Middle lane Hogger, apparently deserving the reproving flash from behind?
I love cruise control, but do realise I can just be creeping past inside lane traffic, because of C.C.s ability to maintain such a constant speed.

(Could I just pre-empt the posters who wish to answer, "Any time that I am in the Motor behind you Mate!")

antrobus

Tilt wrote: »

....But I stand by the fact that sitting in any lane other than a clear lane 1, should be a specific offence. .....

Well OK it's not a specific offence. But the CPS do cite "unnecessarily remaining in an overtaking lane" as an example of the offence of driving without reasonable consideration, the penalty for which is exactly the same as driving without due care and attention. So it is an offence.

antrobus

David_Aston wrote: »

Can I ask, at what point does someone in the middle lane of a three lane motorway, gradually overtaking a succession of slower vehicles, become a Middle lane Hogger, apparently deserving the reproving flash from behind?
...

Presumably at the point when lane 1 becomes clear?

Just trying to be helpful.:)

David_Aston

By clear, do you mean no vehicle in sight?
How about, another slower vehicle, perhaps two hundred metres farther up the first lane?