Help to Work Programme comes in today

Gaz1971

Can anyone explain to me how going to the JCP to sign your card daily is going to get you back to work quicker?

Its just another punish the unemployed scheme, its not helping anyone. My nephew just lost his job on a zero hours contract to be replaced by someone on a JCP work placement. SO unemployment goes up by one so an unemployed person can be forced to work for free by the JCP, go figure.

And the unemployed might stand a better chance of getting a job if IDS stopped slagging them ALL off ALL the time and giving employers the idea that they arent worth employing.

Mr_Falling_Star

Gaz1971 wrote: »

Can anyone explain to me how going to the JCP to sign your card daily is going to get you back to work quicker?

Its just another punish the unemployed scheme, its not helping anyone. My nephew just lost his job on a zero hours contract to be replaced by someone on a JCP work placement. SO unemployment goes up by one so an unemployed person can be forced to work for free by the JCP, go figure.

And the unemployed might stand a better chance of getting a job if IDS stopped slagging them ALL off ALL the time and giving employers the idea that they arent worth employing.

The thinking behind this is that it makes people think that signing on is as much hassle as working. I think I am right in saying only 10% of a Jobcentres load is made up of people who have signed on for 3 years or more. By having them in everyday it sharpens the mind somewhat. How much sympathy have I got? A little for single parents and the disabled but as I have spent this afternoon trying to get together folk to work in a factory but to no avail not much after that.

melysion

BillJones wrote: »

Er, what was rude about my reply? I pointed out that you were arguing against a point that I didn't make, where was the insult?

It's not always what you say, it's the way you say it.

The_ICT_Engineer

Comment from Stephen Bubb Chief Executive of ACEVO, the UK charity leaders representative body.



If the government expects charities to take on many more volunteers through the Help to Work scheme, those places will need to be funded. Governments tend to think of volunteering as free, but it entails significant expense that needs to be met. Volunteers need to be supervised, managed, insured and trained – and that costs money.


According to an estimate published by Natural England, each of their 2,000+ volunteers costs the organisation £174. With both public and private sources of charitable income having been hit by the economic slowdown and resulting cuts to government funding, very few voluntary organisations will be in a position to effectively subsidise the government's proposals by accepting volunteers that are not funded.


In addition, many charities will have strong reservations about taking on volunteers on mandatory placements - indeed, it is questionable whether they could really be described as 'volunteers' at all. Volunteers should be motivated by passion to make a difference - not forced to participate under the threat of losing their benefits.


Charities' volunteer recruitment processes are designed to ensure that all parties involved feel the experience will be of mutual benefit. Many organisations will be concerned about taking on the role of penalising people on schemes who may lose benefits undermining the charitable ethos as well as their existing recruitment processes. The voluntary sector cannot act as an enforcement agency for the DWP


We do not yet know the details of the planned Help to Work scheme and many in the sector will no doubt be monitoring its development with interest. There are many questions to be answered, including whether the programme can provide jobseekers, including those furthest from the labour market, with real opportunities to address barriers to employment and progress towards finding a job. Therefore, we will be working to support our members and the sector to understand the details and implications the programme.

The government is right to see the voluntary sector as a key part of the solution to tackling unemployment, drawing on the skills and knowledge of voluntary organisations but it must recognise that nothing comes for free - not even volunteers.

Gaz1971

What chance have people got when companies stop advertising vacancies because they know they can pick workers up for free? And zero hrs contract workers will lose their jobs in favour of this free labour, increasing unemployment.

And for the record, I dont object to my tax quids going to the unemployed, I do object to them going to foreigners who havent paid any tax here, ever, I object to it going on benefits to those who dont need it, like the multi millionaire George Osborne claiming child benefit and I object to my tax pounds paying for multi millionaire Ian Duncan Smiths breakfast.

The_ICT_Engineer

Gaz1971 wrote: »

I object to my tax pounds paying for multi millionaire Ian Duncan Smiths breakfast.

Don't forget the underpants he also claimed for.


Iain Duncan Smith's 100 Biggest Failures

http://www.greenbenchesuk.com/2014/01/the-cost-of-ids-100-ways-iain-duncan.html

BillJones

JeLaw wrote: »

Not everyone has a stable CV - and this is not always because they are unemployable. Does your company take on people with gaps on their CV due to illness? Do you turn down people for being "over-qualified" or "too experienced"?

Yes, we take on people with gaps in their CV, and no, we don't turn down people for being over-qualified or too experienced. The latter points would be hard, as I prefer people with backgrounds like mine if possible, Oxbridge degrees and good doctorates.

BillJones

Gaz1971 wrote: »

What chance have people got when companies stop advertising vacancies because they know they can pick workers up for free?

We won't be taking free workers. We even pay our interns around £40k, pro-rata.

red_devil

I cant understand why the gvt dont close all jobcentres and save money on staff and buildings. People sign on by post or online if they want to. Maybe have one or two people at libraries you could talk too. On the whole I dont see the need for jobcentres. They dont do anything. They cost a stack of gvt money to keep open and pay staff wages.

melysion

BillJones wrote: »

We won't be taking free workers. We even pay our interns around £40k, pro-rata.

Its always good to hear about employers who don't have any intention of exploiting staff so pleased to read this.

And that's the real problem I have with this scheme - exploitation of desperate people with no real possibility of a job at the end of it. Regardless of the propaganda, 99.9% of long term unemployed do want to work, I am sure of it.