Help to Work Programme comes in today

melysion

specialboy wrote: »

These people have been unemployed for a couple of years and many of them would welcome the chance of some training to help them back into work. Instead of slagging the idea off why not come up with some decent alternatives apart from there's no jobs, there arelenty of jobs around but they are being taken by immigrants who fit the bill or short term unemployed who still have the get up and go to get a job. It must be disheartening to go a couple of years without a job knowing your prospects are shrinking by the day but with fresh training, a new upto date cv and more help finding work perhaps it can get them out of a rut. Instead of slagging the idea off at least see how it pans out.

How about some proper training, with qualifications that actually mean something and work placements with a realistic hope of a job being offered at the end of it.

topaztiger1983

BillJones wrote: »

I can see why charities would not want to be involved. People out of work for over two years are not going to be be the pick of the crop whichever way you look at it, but if after that time they are still needing to be forced to attend, they'll pretty much all be more trouble than they are worth.

It's a shame, as people could use the benefits that regularly attending a workplace brings, but you can't expect unrelated charities to harm their work by taking on those who don't want to be there.

That's a little harsh, I have been our of work for 2 years, but I want to work but I am having trouble finding work as I have only had 2 months work in 8 years. I am not just sitting at home smoking drugs and getting drunk, I am actively seeking work, i have applied for 500-1000 jobs in the last 2 years, but either I on't have the correct qualifications or I don't have the correct ID

So not all long term unemployed are hopless cases

BillJones

melysion wrote: »

Is it heck not about punishing claimants! That's exactly what it's about.

These people need JOBS TO APPLY FOR not work placements or fruitless trips to the job centre.

They've had jobs to apply for for years, and have not found one. If they've shown that after that long they still can't get anything themselves then it makes sense to change things around, and try a different approach.

After two years, it can't simply be down to hard luck, the candidates are obviously in need of some different help, ad this scheme is there to try to provide it.

melysion

Punishing people isnt helping.

Who?_me?

melysion wrote: »

How about some proper training, with qualifications that actually mean something and work placements with a realistic hope of a job being offered at the end of it.

I agree 100%. I try to help people write CVs who have no qualifications, no work experience, and whilst they have other experiences in life, no one is interested.

Poor literacy is a huge barrier and needs to be addressed, and people need to see the value in having these qualifications.
Equally, confidence and self esteem need to be tackled. Getting a job that they will keep - to be able to work as part of a team and accept that they have weaknesses, but equally, accept that they have strenghts too.
"I don't do nothing really" but they are training to do a half marathon! More than many could do, but they just don't see the value of it.

Qualifications need to be at level two or three, because that is what employers want. They should be on work based NVQs with additional money for going rather than sanctions for not going. Like apprenticships, but more open to all.

SailorSam

The Govt has spent £5billion on it's back tp work scheme but only 132,000 out of 1.2 billion have actually found their way into work.
They bang-on about how much re spending to help people but lets not forget they spent £850 billion on helping the Bankers.
Maybe if Cameron; Osbourne IDS and co really cared about the poor they could find another £850 billion.
But of course many of those people probably don't vote Tory.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2350334/Just-people-placed-Governments-flagship-work-scheme-lasting-role.html

tomtontom

topaztiger1983 wrote: »

That's a little harsh, I have been our of work for 2 years, but I want to work but I am having trouble finding work as I have only had 2 months work in 8 years. I am not just sitting at home smoking drugs and getting drunk, I am actively seeking work, i have applied for 500-1000 jobs in the last 2 years, but either I on't have the correct qualifications or I don't have the correct ID

So not all long term unemployed are hopless cases

If you don't have the correct ID then you go and get it! I thought I'd heard it all but that takes the biscuit - you cannot blame such a poor employment record on not having ID!

Bearman_2

I been on JSA for over 2 years and finished the work programme in March, however I have been in work for almost 3 months and when my contract ended in January and also before this I had a zero hour contract whilst still claiming. I had to sign on again. Do the measures only apply to people who have not found ANY work for 2 or 3 years?

outtawork

l have a driving licence, but this apparently was not enough ID. l don't have a current passport & neither am l likely to be able to afford to get one.So l understand, & what if you haven't got that either.

tomtontom

outtawork wrote: »

l have a driving licence, but this apparently was not enough ID. l don't have a current passport & neither am l likely to be able to afford to get one.So l understand, & what if you haven't got that either.

If you can't afford something that is essential to work then you find a way to afford it - sell a non essential item such as a laptop, mobile phone, tv etc. Help yourself!