Problems of weight loss

mumps

Izadora wrote: »

I don't know about it causing hunger but I definitely lose a lot of willpower when I've had a drink or am hungover. I'm getting better at making healthier replacements for drunk munchies but there are still times when (especially if my OH is going to the kebab shop on the way home) I'll end up thinking "I want pizza and don't care. I'll deal with it next week."
I think the biggest difference since I've tried WW though is the fact that, when I have done that, I don't throw my hands up, decide that my diet's doomed and fall straight off the wagon. I accept that I might not lose much that week, or have a small gain, but that in the grand scheme of things it's not a disaster as long as I stick to my points more weeks than I don't.

I think the highlighted bit is really positive, it is what most dieters I know seem to fall down with and it is unreal, in my opinion, to think people are going to go through life without ever throwing caution to the wind and having a cake or a bag of chips or a pizza. It is about balance, my dieting friends reckon I do this without thinking and they are probably right if I have something a bit more substantial or a bit sweet at lunch I will naturally have less in the evening, I don't plan it but that is just how I feel. I guess WW is helping you to learn to feel like that too. Good luck with the diet, have you got far to go withit? Is it better not to think of the end goal and just see how it goes day by day or week by week?

mumps

~Chameleon~ wrote: »

There are also issues to do with hormones, particularly leptin and ghrelin which regulate appetite and energy balance. Leptin is responsible for suppressing food intake and it's now been established that obese people can become leptin-resistant which switches off the receptors so they just don't know when to stop eating.

Do they know which comes first the obesity or the leptin resistance?

mumps

lostinrates wrote: »

Sorry for big quotes...

Not all slim people eat well. There is a nother tv show where they get a very overweight person and a very underweight person. Usually both diets are equally atrocious, often the underweight. people live off candy bars or carbonated drinks.


Personally, I think margaretclare is doing the right thing.....seeing what works for HER and sticking to it. .

Five two or fasting works well to maintain for me, Nd looking back when I was slim, and well, I naturally fasted. I am just not the kind of person who can eat three meals a day and maintain.

I also agree that a little of what you fancy might suit some people, but not so much me, not regularly. I find it easier to schedule a day when a little of food that is sweet is ok.

I find giving up food that is ' alluring' does help one lose taste for it more easily.

For example, I love wine, but cannot drink on medication. ( in fact, by terrible omission we all forgot and I had a quarter of. A glass of wine just recently before we realised, but its ok). I do sometimes wish I could have a glass of wine, but much less than I did originally. Tbh, I used to have one or two glasses of wine on previous meds at most, and none for three months a year every year of adult life. When I stopped drinking for this drug I wanted a glass of wine every night for a while:rotfl:.


I hVe had to give up dairy products too. I used to have my meds with a glass of milk when I couldn't eat much, so I found this practically hard as well as sometimes just wanting a piece of cheese , a yogurt or a glass of milk, or mug of hot milk before bed.

The first month or so were very hard, NO its only occasionally stumping while I think what might work for me as alternatives to what I am feeding my family/guests that doesn't look too weird compared to what they are eating.


The thing I cannot loose taste for is fruit and raw veg, ip and it have had to try for health reasons too, and its really hard.

I don't eat much dairy but would hate to have to cut down on fruit and veg. It must be hard having to control so much of what you eat. I occasionally have a bit of cheese, just suddenly get a craving for it but as it gives me migraine I don't have much and not often, I can only get away with a very small amount. Fortunately I have no problem with dark chcolate which can cause migraines.

lostinrates

mumps wrote: »

Do they know which comes first the obesity or the leptin resistance?

I am having endocrine testing ATM. I have a neurological problem which started about a decade a go and my endocrine system collapsed at the same time. Leptin has not been tested in me that I remember, but other hormones are awry, For me it was hormones then weight gain, but we were unsure why things kept boosting when my diet was very much under control. I am having tests ATM for another very rare malfunction which may have been a problem.

I think other things I'm always aware of are how important getting the right amount of sleep is ( neither too much nor too little). We are very influenced by our lifestyles, not just ' emotionally' but chemically. So sleep, exercise, some daylight, and observing a diurnal rhythm that allows our bodies to function 'optimally' where possible.

lostinrates

mumps wrote: »

I don't eat much dairy but would hate to have to cut down on fruit and veg. It must be hard having to control so much of what you eat. I occasionally have a bit of cheese, just suddenly get a craving for it but as it gives me migraine I don't have much and not often, I can only get away with a very small amount. Fortunately I have no problem with dark chcolate which can cause migraines.

Dairy ( or other source of calcium) is often under eaten particularly by women. I am having bone testing soon ( yay) as is very likely with limited leafy veg, no dairy and a lot of vomiting of supplements.....

Anyway....point is, we need to be careful about omitting some food groups without balance IMO. Dairy can be one of them. Not impossible, but requires some thought. Much easier in a healthy person though!

Izadora

mumps wrote: »

It is about balance, my dieting friends reckon I do this without thinking and they are probably right if I have something a bit more substantial or a bit sweet at lunch I will naturally have less in the evening, I don't plan it but that is just how I feel. I guess WW is helping you to learn to feel like that too.

Yeah, it's definitely been good for teaching me balance. I like the fact that nothing's forbidden and if I really want something I can have it, I just have to make adjustments elsewhere for it. It's still not something which comes totally naturally to me but I'm getting there.

mumps wrote: »

Good luck with the diet, have you got far to go withit? Is it better not to think of the end goal and just see how it goes day by day or week by week?

Thank you. I've got about a stone and a half to go but, having lost 6 already, seem to be quite relaxed about it and am managing to focus on the fact that I'm so much happier and healthier than I was a couple of years ago rather than what I've still got to lose. I think the fact that I started with the idea that it would get a little bit better each step of the way, rather than wanting to be at my goal weight straight away, has helped a lot and I even managed not to go completely off the rails when I stopped counting points for just over a year (cosy dinners in with the OH and dieting aren't a good mix...). I'd put on 10 pounds in that time but as soon as my clothes started getting a bit snug I started counting points again and, 5 weeks later, I'm now 4lbs lighter than when I stopped dieting last time.

margaretclare

Izadora, you seem to have got your head into a good place. You didn't expect it all to happen overnight, and that's good, as it didn't get there overnight, did it? So many women seem to want to lose 'for a special occasion', a wedding, a beach holiday, are disappointed if it doesn't happen but put all that they've lost back in the period of the honeymoon or holiday. It really is a long-haul, a complete change and must be seen in that light.

About dairy is interesting - we've gone back to whole milk, we eat cheese and we use creme fraiche. The problem is not with fats but with the lactose in milk.

mumps

lostinrates wrote: »

Dairy ( or other source of calcium) is often under eaten particularly by women. I am having bone testing soon ( yay) as is very likely with limited leafy veg, no dairy and a lot of vomiting of supplements.....

Anyway....point is, we need to be careful about omitting some food groups without balance IMO. Dairy can be one of them. Not impossible, but requires some thought. Much easier in a healthy person though!

I mainly use rice or soya milk, it suits my digestive system where cows milk causes me some discomfort. I do take a calcium supplement and eat lots of leafy green veg. I have had two broken bones in my life and don't want anymore if I can help it. Your problems sound alot more complex, it must be very difficult.

mumps

lostinrates wrote: »

I am having endocrine testing ATM. I have a neurological problem which started about a decade a go and my endocrine system collapsed at the same time. Leptin has not been tested in me that I remember, but other hormones are awry, For me it was hormones then weight gain, but we were unsure why things kept boosting when my diet was very much under control. I am having tests ATM for another very rare malfunction which may have been a problem.

I think other things I'm always aware of are how important getting the right amount of sleep is ( neither too much nor too little). We are very influenced by our lifestyles, not just ' emotionally' but chemically. So sleep, exercise, some daylight, and observing a diurnal rhythm that allows our bodies to function 'optimally' where possible.

I have a problem with my thyroid, it has pretty well packed up. It did cause me problems, including weight gain, but as soon as I was diagnosed and got my thyroxine dose right it was all fine. I guess I am lucky as if you are going to get a chronic condition that is potentially serious it is good to have one that is controlled well with one tablet a day.

mumps

Izadora wrote: »

Yeah, it's definitely been good for teaching me balance. I like the fact that nothing's forbidden and if I really want something I can have it, I just have to make adjustments elsewhere for it. It's still not something which comes totally naturally to me but I'm getting there.




Thank you. I've got about a stone and a half to go but, having lost 6 already, seem to be quite relaxed about it and am managing to focus on the fact that I'm so much happier and healthier than I was a couple of years ago rather than what I've still got to lose. I think the fact that I started with the idea that it would get a little bit better each step of the way, rather than wanting to be at my goal weight straight away, has helped a lot and I even managed not to go completely off the rails when I stopped counting points for just over a year (cosy dinners in with the OH and dieting aren't a good mix...). I'd put on 10 pounds in that time but as soon as my clothes started getting a bit snug I started counting points again and, 5 weeks later, I'm now 4lbs lighter than when I stopped dieting last time.

Well done, you must feel great. Your attitude seems really positive so I am sure you will get there.