Electoral Roll - on it or not??

fuzzgun19

CreditCrunchie wrote: »

They've updated mine. Although that could be because I sent them daily dispute emails? LOL

:rotfl:Possibly.. did you email proof from the council too, or just enter the date you registered and sent the dispute?

the_worm_that_turned

marvin wrote: »

And a potential £1000 fine if they chose to prosecute for failing to return the form.

That'll be the fear factor at its best. Comply with our system or face the consequences of a fine. For their system to work one must accept one is an OCCUPIER of one's own dwelling-house. In relation to the electoral roll I have only ever received a letter addressed to THE OCCUPIER at my dwelling-house.

I don't own a property or premises as I'm not a business. I am not an occupier. You think it is all silly semantics then I recommend purchasing a good law dictionary, or "Dictionary of Modern Legal Usage, Second Edition" (Oxford Dictionary of Modern Legal Usage).

It is all about the wording and all a game of compliance. Peaceful non-compliance, a thorn in the side of establishment.

Think about it. You need to prove that you are a good little voter to obtain credit? Is that fair. Even if you register to vote it doesn't mean you have to vote does it. So why is this a condition of obtaining credit to live, fend for yourself and protect you and your family from the elements?

Registering to vote (regardless of whether you actually vote) is purely and simply you consenting to be governed (ruled over) by the Government of the day.

The voting system is not democratic anyway. Where is the option for NONE OF THE ABOVE on the ballot paper? Ah yes, the Government made it illegal for that to be an option. Fair? Irrelevant. You signed up to it by registering on the Electoral Roll and by receiving ANY benefit from the Government.

CreditCrunchie

fuzzgun19 wrote: »

:rotfl:Possibly.. did you email proof from the council too, or just enter the date you registered and sent the dispute?

I emailed proof the day I got it from the council (February 17th), then again a week later, again a week later, then every day! Ignorant, incompetent fools. Went through the same pallava last time. Think they do it to spite me.

Tixy

the_worm_that_turned wrote: »

The voting system is not democratic anyway. Where is the option for NONE OF THE ABOVE on the ballot paper? Ah yes, the Government made it illegal for that to be an option. Fair? Irrelevant. You signed up to it by registering on the Electoral Roll and by receiving ANY benefit from the Government.

There is of course still a way to register your 'none of the above' preference. That is to
-register to vote
-turn up at the polling station
-spoil your ballot paper and put it in the ballot box
-when the results are announced the official also reads out the number of spoilt ballot papers. That number is officially recorded.

Sorry OP for contributing to the off-topic replies on the thread, no further comment from me (there are many discussions on the discussions board section of the forum on this topic for anyone who is interested though).

CreditCrunchie

the_worm_that_turned wrote: »

That'll be the fear factor at its best. Comply with our system or face the consequences of a fine. For their system to work one must accept one is an OCCUPIER of one's own dwelling-house. In relation to the electoral roll I have only ever received a letter addressed to THE OCCUPIER at my dwelling-house.

I don't own a property or premises as I'm not a business. I am not an occupier. You think it is all silly semantics then I recommend purchasing a good law dictionary, or "Dictionary of Modern Legal Usage, Second Edition" (Oxford Dictionary of Modern Legal Usage).

It is all about the wording and all a game of compliance. Peaceful non-compliance, a thorn in the side of establishment.

Think about it. You need to prove that you are a good little voter to obtain credit? Is that fair. Even if you register to vote it doesn't mean you have to vote does it. So why is this a condition of obtaining credit to live, fend for yourself and protect you and your family from the elements?

Registering to vote (regardless of whether you actually vote) is purely and simply you consenting to be governed (ruled over) by the Government of the day.

The voting system is not democratic anyway. Where is the option for NONE OF THE ABOVE on the ballot paper? Ah yes, the Government made it illegal for that to be an option. Fair? Irrelevant. You signed up to it by registering on the Electoral Roll and by receiving ANY benefit from the Government.

I do have a lot of sympathy with your thinking, and a while back I read something regarding TV licenses that mentioned being a "freeman". I can't remember the exact details but it did make a convincing argument. However I've spent years thinking and acting like this and all it has got me in into my 30's and now having to pick up the peices before applying for a mortgage (something I never wanted but am now forced into due to the insecurity of renting). So whichever way you look at it, they have you by the balls, and opting out is really just opting out "for now", until there is something you need and you find you have to toe the line.

the_worm_that_turned

Tixy wrote: »

Not being on the electoral roll doesn't mean you haven't consented to abide by the country's legislation.

Doesn't it? What does constitute you consenting to abide by the country's legislation?

The legislation (Statute Book) is a set of rules GIVEN THE FORCE OF LAW and is voted on by those people in Parliament representing those who have chosen not to represent themselves i.e. chosen to be governed or ruled over.

I asked the MP representing people within the area of land I currently am living within whether men and woman must be part of the State (not society) and she confirmed that "per se" you do not have to be. That is good enough for me and on the record.

She felt it would be unfair not to be because you wouldn't be paying your taxes (which incidentally pay her wages and all her chums' wages, expenses, mortgages etc. too). Oh dear!

the_worm_that_turned

CreditCrunchie wrote: »

I do have a lot of sympathy with your thinking, and a while back I read something regarding TV licenses that mentioned being a "freeman". I can't remember the exact details but it did make a convincing argument. However I've spent years thinking and acting like this and all it has got me in into my 30's and now having to pick up the peices before applying for a mortgage (something I never wanted but am now forced into due to the insecurity of renting). So whichever way you look at it, they have you by the balls, and opting out is really just opting out "for now", until there is something you need and you find you have to toe the line.

Sounds like I am in a similar position of being frustrated by the seemingly large and over powering systems put in place to keep you in check! But in reality the majority of it is just pieces of paper and people in fancy costumes/wigs. It is all a big game with the main winners being those that write the rules or enforce them.

The whole freeman-on-the-land thing is just a distraction IMO and yet another label. However, that does not stop one from being (or at least attempting to be) a free man (or woman) on this land.

Start by asking questions of those that have chosen to enter into office. I strongly recommend writing to the Treasury and asking for a statement of account for the person they have on record for you e.g. MR JOE BLOGGS of [add address]. It would be interesting to see what figure they have and whether it is in the + or -. They don't seem to want to even acknowledge receipt of my requests thus far???

Back on topic.

Keep badgering the CRAs? Not sure what else to say on that!

Wormy

Savingwithnomoney

I had the same thing from Experian. They said I was not on it and my council said that I was. On something the other week (senior moment, can't remember what) they were talking about the 2 lists, the full list and the other one that you can opt out of (can't remember the name of this either but I think it's the one that can be bought by companies). Maybe these companies don't use the full list and that's why we don't appear.

nyc_451

I am not showing on corp192 but I am on Noddle.

CreditCrunchie

The CRA's get the full list regardless but not until they buy it from the councils. So it can take up to a month to get on the electoral roll when you first apply, then another month for the CRA's to update the info on their files. That's unless you register during the annual canvass (October time), then you don't have a hope of appearing on it for a few months.