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  • melysion
    melysion Posts: 801 Forumite
    Yes, but the sanctions are a bit ridiculous these days aren't they, from what I understand. My brother is long-term unemployed and all I hear about is the punishment dished out to him because he dare be unemployed.
  • melysion
    melysion Posts: 801 Forumite
    busy_mom wrote: »
    Can I also point out there has to be be a difference betwen LONG term unemployed who do not have skills or qualifications and dependant unpon area we are talking ESOL needs, language barriers as well as low levels of english and maths. I am not referring to JSAC claims (who I personally believe should not have to even sign on)

    Apologies, but what are JSAC claims? Contribution based? If so, I wholeheartedly agree with you
  • busy_mom_2
    busy_mom_2 Posts: 1,391 Forumite
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    edited 26 March 2014 at 11:49PM
    AP007 wrote: »

    I would not volunteer to work for free for someone who didn't want me for a paying job.

    So are you saying all voluntary schemes should pay? What about brownies, cubs, scouts? What about youth clubs and football clubs?

    What about all the good work people do for cancer charities or other charitable organisations?

    I have given 5 years support most weeks 3-4 hours per week for a swimming club. I have learned new skills, made new friends and never recieved a penny. I am normally out of pocket with petrol expenses, ink and printing costs. We have over 400 memebers a committee of over 12 people and a coaching team of around 15 people. How exactly would this club run without any volunteers? We have accountants and treasurers, welfare officers and web designers. All skills are needed. Try looking a little closer to home for voluntary work but please dont expect any job at the end, most people will be really grateful for help, we are.
  • busy_mom_2
    busy_mom_2 Posts: 1,391 Forumite
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    melysion wrote: »
    Yes, but the sanctions are a bit ridiculous these days aren't they, from what I understand. My brother is long-term unemployed and all I hear about is the punishment dished out to him because he dare be unemployed.

    What do you class as long term unemployed and what has he been punished for it terms of sanctions?
  • busy_mom_2
    busy_mom_2 Posts: 1,391 Forumite
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    edited 26 March 2014 at 11:48PM
    melysion wrote: »
    Apologies, but what are JSAC claims? Contribution based? If so, I wholeheartedly agree with you


    Yea JSA contributions. I firmly believe JSAIB and C claims should be seperate like they used to be.
  • AP007
    AP007 Posts: 7,109 Forumite
    busy_mom wrote: »
    So are you saying all voluntary schemes should pay? What about brownies, cubs, scouts? What about youth clubs and football clubs?

    What about all the good work people do for cancer charities or other charitable organisations?

    I have given 5 years support most weeks 3-4 hours per week for a swimming club. I have learned new skills, made new friends and never recieved a penny. I am normally out of pocket with petrol expenses, ink and printing costs. We have over 400 memebers a committee of over 12 people and a coaching team of around 15 people. How exactly would this club run without any volunteers? We have accountants and treasurers, welfare officers and web designers. All skills are needed. Try looking a little closer to home for work but please dont expect any job at the end.
    No I am saying if turned down for interview as you were not working then why would they want you to work there for free?

    Please quote the bit where I said I had applied to them for real paying jobs!

    Good enough to work for free but not if they have to pay you!
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  • melysion
    melysion Posts: 801 Forumite
    busy_mom wrote: »
    What do you class as long term unemployed and what has he been punished for it terms of sanctions?

    My brother has never been sanctioned :) He is, however, most definitely long-term unemployed (ten years or more) - due primarily to a criminal conviction. I keep trying to encourage him to start his own business, as I don't think he will ever work otherwise but it's difficult without any money, obviously. I could weep really seeing as he was progressing well in retail management but there you go. As much as I like to think otherwise, I can't imagine any scheme (or form of bullying) will ever get my brother into employment.
  • Melysion it's a mindset thing. Every day many ex-offenders get a job. Try to help him see that. A covering letter with an explanation of the offence (if it even needs to be declared) is a great way to get your brothers side across. Employers often respect this.

    I really wish him luck!
    whinge intr.v. whinged, whing·ing, whing·es Chiefly British To complain or protest, especially in an annoying or persistent manner.
  • Denning.
    Denning. Posts: 2,749 Forumite
    melysion wrote: »
    My brother has never been sanctioned :) He is, however, most definitely long-term unemployed (ten years or more) - due primarily to a criminal conviction. I keep trying to encourage him to start his own business, as I don't think he will ever work otherwise but it's difficult without any money, obviously. I could weep really seeing as he was progressing well in retail management but there you go. As much as I like to think otherwise, I can't imagine any scheme (or form of bullying) will ever get my brother into employment.

    10 years would have been a good few year before the recession, the conviction is not what is holding him back.
  • melysion
    melysion Posts: 801 Forumite
    Denning. wrote: »
    10 years would have been a good few year before the recession, the conviction is not what is holding him back.

    I'm not so sure due to the nature of the conviction. But, yes, a more positive mindset would certainly help! At least one can't accuse him of not trying, that I do know.
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