Adult minimum wage to rise by 19p per hour

BillJones

mattcanary wrote: »

How can you find time to get your car repaired when you are at work between 7am and 7pm? Service departments aren't open outside of these hours and you need to take your car to the garage and then collect it.
How far do you live from your place of employment?

If you can do this week in, week out, then that is pretty impressive in a way.
But the risk of burnout several years down the line must be high

Service departments are open on Saturdays, and so I get my car, and motrbikes, serviced on a Saturday morning. It's only once per year for each of them, so not onerous.

I live a few miles from work, so take public transport or use my scooter. I've always chosen to live near the office so that I don't have a long commute. It'd not be pleasant to do these hours as well as having an hour-long commute at each end. I did try it once, but gave it up pretty quickly.

And yes, burnout is a possibility. On the flip side, it's also possible (not inevitable) to earn a great wage, and to hugely enjoy the work.

vekma

minimum wage, minimum effort

falko89

vekma wrote: »

minimum wage, minimum effort

You'd think that, my boss is on the ball with compulsory overtime which makes you make the effort if you don't want to be stuck till 8 at night.

GubGub

vekma wrote: »

minimum wage, minimum effort

Ignorant. So ignorant.

I'm studying for a natural science degree whilst helping vulnerable adults prepare for the workplace at 3p above minimum wage - does your philosophy allow for me?

trollopscarletwoman

vekma wrote: »

minimum wage, minimum effort

What a load of rubbish!

If you mean only give minimum effort then I can see it.

Doesn't work like that though.

Bill_Shidding

IMHO, there is nothing wrong/demeaning about having a NMW job.
In principle, it should be seen only as a stepping stone to greater things, especially for the younger workers, who could pool their resources to rent properties etc in a similar way to students.

NMW for the families main breadwinner is not an option. I suspect the overall cost (to the taxpayer) would increase, and therefore negate any reductions from leaving JSA.

The reality is that many employers consider the NMW as the going rate for less cerebral positions at present. They are only maximising the exploitative opportunities handed to them on a plate by the DWP. Of course, when managerial positions become the next level of employee to be devalued, there may well be a change of overall attitudes.

When it comes to your income, YOU are your own limit. Never place your trust in an employer, your best interests are never their concern. They don't employ you to make you richer than them!

trollopscarletwoman

Bill_Shidding wrote: »

NMW for the families main breadwinner is not an option. I suspect the overall cost (to the taxpayer) would increase, and therefore negate any reductions from leaving JSA.

Not true but anyway.

The state rewards the ethic of work even if its low paid and propped up by tax credits. Politicians spout this time and time again.

Bill_Shidding

Bill_Shidding wrote: »

I suspect the overall cost (to the taxpayer) would increase, and therefore negate any reductions from leaving JSA.

One size does not fit all, it depends on the individuals/couples circumstances.

I'm pretty sure the DWP do a "back to work" or "better-off in work" calculation, what's the outcome if it's calculated the claimant/s is better-off on JSA+benefits, rather than NMW+benefits, less costs?
I doubt these claimant/s would be under an obligation to accept the NMW job anyway, and rightly so.

Politicians can be self-righteous about work ethics all day long, but good work ethics won't pay ever-rising bills. Show me a politician that would work for the NMW, and I might start voting again.

trollopscarletwoman

Bill_Shidding wrote: »

One size does not fit all, it depends on the individuals/couples circumstances.

I'm pretty sure the DWP do a "back to work" or "better-off in work" calculation, what's the outcome if it's calculated the claimant/s is better-off on JSA+benefits, rather than NMW+benefits, less costs?
I doubt these claimant/s would be under an obligation to accept the NMW job anyway, and rightly so.

Politicians can be self-righteous about work ethics all day long, but good work ethics won't pay ever-rising bills. Show me a politician that would work for the NMW, and I might start voting again.

Totally with you. iF jsa and whatever else makes economic sense I'm for it. Let the middle classes worry about morality.

In my case no work means i lose my house because I'm on a mortgage

50Twuncle

This will just increase the number of lowest paid wage earners
Since - many (most ?) companies, being forced to increase the minimum wage of the bottom paid - but leave those just above minimum wage now "stationary" - which will simply mean that the numbers of lowest paid will increase - albeit by a HUGE19p per hour....
I am assuming that the new law will not help those just above minimum wage now ?