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CMS PCN Robin Leisure Park Wigan

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  • Stroma
    Stroma Posts: 7,971 Forumite
    Uniform Washer
    Yes that's fine, send it off to them, if posting get a free certificate of posting from the post office, don't send recorded.
    When posting a parking issue on MSE do not reveal any information that may enable PPCs to identify you. They DO monitor the forum.
    We don't need the following to help you.
    Name, Address, PCN Number, Exact Date Of Incident, Date On Invoice, Reg Number, Vehicle Picture, The Time You Entered & Left Car Park, Or The Amount of Time You Overstayed.
    :beer: Anti Enforcement Hobbyist Member :beer:
  • hulksmash
    hulksmash Posts: 16 Forumite
    Stroma wrote: »
    Yes that's fine, send it off to them, if posting get a free certificate of posting from the post office, don't send recorded.

    Cheers.

    Should I also include any photos like the ones I linked to earlier?
  • Stroma
    Stroma Posts: 7,971 Forumite
    Uniform Washer
    I would advise to wait for coupon on this, the signs say a contractual charge and she may ask you to add some other things.
    When posting a parking issue on MSE do not reveal any information that may enable PPCs to identify you. They DO monitor the forum.
    We don't need the following to help you.
    Name, Address, PCN Number, Exact Date Of Incident, Date On Invoice, Reg Number, Vehicle Picture, The Time You Entered & Left Car Park, Or The Amount of Time You Overstayed.
    :beer: Anti Enforcement Hobbyist Member :beer:
  • hulksmash
    hulksmash Posts: 16 Forumite
    No problem. I'll wait. I also have some aerial views of the car park which I can mark out where I was parked and the signs if that also helps.
  • 4consumerrights
    4consumerrights Posts: 2,002 Forumite
    edited 3 March 2014 at 11:18AM
    Here's the signage links:

    http://s273.photobucket.com/user/hulksmash232/media/cmssign_zps442081a5.jpg.html

    http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj221/hulksmash232/entrancesign_zps0131b5f1.jpg

    Interesting though they have both the BPA and IPC logos on the sign - which is misleading and misrepresentation to their trade association membership status

    I would be interested to see the wording on the windscreen ticket here - if you could redact ALL personal information and upload - which appeals does it mention?
    Also does it mention breach of terms and conditions etc.

    The letter above is fine for the moment as it covers enough wording for contractual charges for this intial appeal - but would like to see wording on ticket.


    The company was formerly with the BPA and this is in fact a re-incarnation of CMS (UK) Ltd which went into liquidation. Philip Kelley (director) currently has another company also with the BPA .

    MAKE sure you send just a COPY of the cinema ticket.
  • hulksmash
    hulksmash Posts: 16 Forumite
    OK. Here's the tickets front and back edited.

    i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj221/hulksmash232/ticketedited1_zps6ed2839b.jpg

    i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj221/hulksmash232/ticketedited2_zpsad8052a5.jpg


    Also here is an aerial view of some of the car park in question. It is a free car park normally. I've marked in red dots the signs on lamp posts. Also shown rough area of car and entrance signage.

    i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj221/hulksmash232/carparkaerialview2locations_zps0dc4bfaf.jpg
  • 4consumerrights
    4consumerrights Posts: 2,002 Forumite
    clicky link car park aerial.

    http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj221/hulksmash232/carparkaerialview2locations_zps0dc4bfaf.jpg


    Entrance signage then non-compliant - no clear sign upon entering car park and angled in such a way.

    NO VAT registration number on either the parking charge notice or signage. In fact at the company's last accounting period - it is currently registered as non-trading.

    The reason for issue - does it mention failiure to comply at all?
    "The period of parking immediately proceeds the time of parking"
    These parking companies do make a lot of spelling mistakes!

    The do mention just the IPC - but their signage puts both members - so may be worth noting this on the appeal.
  • hulksmash
    hulksmash Posts: 16 Forumite
    The exact wording in the reason for issue (and I mean exact spelling) is "CUSTOMER PARKING ONLY WHILE ON PREMESES".
  • Stroma
    Stroma Posts: 7,971 Forumite
    Uniform Washer
    clickable links for all them

    http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj221/hulksmash232/ticketedited1_zps6ed2839b.jpg

    http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj221/hulksmash232/ticketedited2_zpsad8052a5.jpg

    http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj221/hulksmash232/carparkaerialview2locations_zps0dc4bfaf.jpg
    When posting a parking issue on MSE do not reveal any information that may enable PPCs to identify you. They DO monitor the forum.
    We don't need the following to help you.
    Name, Address, PCN Number, Exact Date Of Incident, Date On Invoice, Reg Number, Vehicle Picture, The Time You Entered & Left Car Park, Or The Amount of Time You Overstayed.
    :beer: Anti Enforcement Hobbyist Member :beer:
  • fil_cad
    fil_cad Posts: 837 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 500 Posts Photogenic
    These CMS signs are very new and replace the old CMS ones that had a tempoary sticker covering the old CMS/bpa logos
    PPCs say its carpark management, BPA say its raising standards..... we all know its just about raking in the revenue. :eek:
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