Is there any budget paint that gives good coverage?

travel_freak

Hello,

Misgrace, as the resident expert here(!) I hope you might be able to help me. I'm in the process of repainting a bathroom and kitchen in a new build flat, well it's probably around 8 years old now.

The existing paint (white) on the ceilings of each is sort of flaking off in parts. I thought I would be able to just rub off these flakes and then paint over. But when I went up there with the roller, the roller just starts picking up more and more bits and exposing a sort of shiny green surface underneath - which I assume to be plasterboard?

My question is do I need to laboriously scrape off all of the current paint from both ceilings before painting or is there a special type of paint I can just paint straight over that will stick properly - even if I have to do a couple of coats (I'd prefer a couple of coats to having to scrape off the old stuff!!)

I'd be really grateful for your expert opinion!

Also, the walls in the kitchen were really horrible green (yes, green!!). I've done a first coat over that with white using a roller for the first time. I couldn't get into the corners with the roller so used a brush there but the finish is completely different and it looks dreadful, will this get better if I do another coat or do you have any tips for how to do this more successfully (at the moment it's so bad I'm beginning to wish I had left the green, and that's saying something).

Many thanks in advance.

Regards,

carlmc25

Hi everyone!

Misgrace (or anyone!) - any chance you can help me out too? I've been asking everyone I know but no one seems to be able to give me any advice.

I have just bought a new house and am in the process of getting it renovated etc. I have decided to start painting the kitchen (just around the units area where extractor etc is going as it'll be easier than painting it afterwards) and I think I've made a bit of a mistake! I bought some Dulux Brilliant White Rich Matt paint and painted one coat on the ceiling (new plasterboard with skimming of plaster). I used a ratio of 50% water/ 50% paint (my first mistake I think!). I have also painted a wall with the same ratio. Basically what I want to know is - how do I fix this? do I need to paint dulux plaster sealer over this? or paint a ratio of 80% paint/ 20% water over this and then apply a final 100% coat?

Also, as it is the kitchen I believe I should use a semi-gloss on the walls/ceiling so I can clean them - am I ok to paint a semi-gloss coat over my first two watered down matt coats? (aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!) What is the best paint to use in the kitchen?

Also, I bought Crown matt paint for the walls (lining paper) - is this any good or should I just take it back and swap it for Dulux?!

Thanks!

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I have tried many brands of paint over the years, the best I have found is B&Q's One Coat, better coverage than Dulux.

The worst paint is certainly Wickes own stuff, total rubbish.

carlmc25

From what I can gather (various forums etc) the 50/50 paint/water split was probably ok! After hopefully navigating that near disaster, I may have gone and totally messed things up! At the weekend (a week after applying the 50/50 matt and about 2.5 months after plasterboard was put in/skimmed) we painted the ceiling with a 'silk' paint, as we thought it was the way to go in the kitchen. I then discovered (typical!) that quite a few people seem to say NOT to use silk for about 6-9 months!!! DAMN IT! is this only true with vinyl silk? or even water based silk? the guy at Dulux told me it was ok to use? Also, the plaster does appear to be pretty dry and my miscoat will hopefully have sealed it anyway?

We haven't painted silk on the walls yet, so any advice would be most welcome. I may stick with matt on the walls but I do quite like the idea of a very bright kitchen (spotlights etc) so may go for the silk on the walls too as it's easier to clean.

Also, there are trowel marks (ridges) on the ceiling in one spot and a couple of places on the wall - is it best to use powder filler and if so, how do I use it?

Lastly, I've stripped paint in the bedroom and am looking to sand the skirting boards/doors etc, what is the best paper to use? it's just I've been using a sander and seem to need to change the paper over every 5 secs!

Thanks a lot.

misgrace

ashli wrote: »

I started painting my newly plastered walls with Gliddens Contract Matt yesterday- as recommended on this forum! :money:


I can't complain about the quality at £15 for 10 litres, the coverage is excellent and I would definately recommend it to anyone who has a lot of painting to do. I bought mine at a dulux decorator centre.

Well done Ashli,:D its really good for new plaster, but also very good for painting over existing paint.

misgrace

travel_freak wrote: »

Hello,

Misgrace, as the resident expert here(!) I hope you might be able to help me. I'm in the process of repainting a bathroom and kitchen in a new build flat, well it's probably around 8 years old now.

The existing paint (white) on the ceilings of each is sort of flaking off in parts. I thought I would be able to just rub off these flakes and then paint over. But when I went up there with the roller, the roller just starts picking up more and more bits and exposing a sort of shiny green surface underneath - which I assume to be plasterboard?

My question is do I need to laboriously scrape off all of the current paint from both ceilings before painting or is there a special type of paint I can just paint straight over that will stick properly - even if I have to do a couple of coats (I'd prefer a couple of coats to having to scrape off the old stuff!!)

I'd be really grateful for your expert opinion!

Also, the walls in the kitchen were really horrible green (yes, green!!). I've done a first coat over that with white using a roller for the first time. I couldn't get into the corners with the roller so used a brush there but the finish is completely different and it looks dreadful, will this get better if I do another coat or do you have any tips for how to do this more successfully (at the moment it's so bad I'm beginning to wish I had left the green, and that's saying something).

Many thanks in advance.

Regards,

Hi there, You say the ceiling looks green, and you think its the old plasterboard, I'v never seen a green plasterboard lol

Isnt there a skim of plaster over this plasterboard?

You say the surface is very shiny, thats probably why the original paint hasnt stuck to it.
And when you went over with the roller it made it worse, as the roller is picking up all the flaky bits.
If its really bad, then you will have to sand down again, and where the old and new paint has come off you will have to fill it, or perhaps line it.

If your worried about the paint on second ceiling lifting like the previous one, then follow these instructions...

I presume its a flat ceiling, not artexed or anything?

Rub down the ceiling as normal, dont use a harsh sandpaper.
if you dont have any filling/prep to do, then get some oilbase undercoat, add some white spirit to thin it down, and paint your whole ceiling with the oilbase undercoat. (white)
Do your cutting in round the edges with a brush, then use an old roller to roll the rest, as you will have to chuck the roller sleeve away after you use it, it will cost too much in white spirit to clean it lol.

Next day or two, emulsion as normal, the undercoat will give the ceiling a dull matt finish,which will take the emulsion paint no problem, plus it will seal the ceiling and prevent any flakyness when you come to emulsion it

Going back to the first ceiling, and as you have already started it and its flaked etc, if you dont want to do all the prep and fill or even line,and you dont really want to scrape the old stuff off, then again, sand the ceiling to get rid of the flakey bits, then get some diluted PVA and whack the on, the will stop the paint from peeling and flaking any more.
Then you can emulsion when dry, but it might not look very good unless you do your prep first.

You can undercoat the first ceiling after you have PVD it, the only reason I am telling two different ways, is that ceiling no 1 has already peeled and flaked,and ceiling no2, you havent started yet.

Hope this makes sense lol

misgrace

Ooops, forgot to mention your green paint.

Dont worry about it looking a mess, you are going over the green with white, and even using a good make, you are looking at least 4 coats if not more to get a good coverage.(I hope your using a good make);)

misgrace

carlmc25 wrote: »

Hi everyone!

Misgrace (or anyone!) - any chance you can help me out too? I've been asking everyone I know but no one seems to be able to give me any advice.

I have just bought a new house and am in the process of getting it renovated etc. I have decided to start painting the kitchen (just around the units area where extractor etc is going as it'll be easier than painting it afterwards) and I think I've made a bit of a mistake! I bought some Dulux Brilliant White Rich Matt paint and painted one coat on the ceiling (new plasterboard with skimming of plaster). I used a ratio of 50% water/ 50% paint (my first mistake I think!). I have also painted a wall with the same ratio. Basically what I want to know is - how do I fix this? do I need to paint dulux plaster sealer over this? or paint a ratio of 80% paint/ 20% water over this and then apply a final 100% coat?

Also, as it is the kitchen I believe I should use a semi-gloss on the walls/ceiling so I can clean them - am I ok to paint a semi-gloss coat over my first two watered down matt coats? (aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!) What is the best paint to use in the kitchen?

Also, I bought Crown matt paint for the walls (lining paper) - is this any good or should I just take it back and swap it for Dulux?!

Thanks!

Hi there,

What seems to be the problem with you using the 'rich matt paint'

If my memory serves me right, I dont think the Rich matt is suitable for bare plaster, normally you would use 'Supermatt', or at a push Vinyl matt if the walls have been skimmed.

As for the kitchen, if you have sealed the new plaster with a miscoat of white matt, then its okay to go over with the silk, or the kitchen/ bathroom paint, the k/b paint is quite shiny also.

As for crown on the lining paper, thats okay as well, imo, crown is not as good as 'dulux', but it does cover well.

Just a tip.....

Even though its lining paper, still slightly thin down the first coat, specially the cuttin in, as you will get a dragging effect if you use straight from the can.
You will get a far better finish without losing any of the depth.

carlmc25

thanks Misgrace! so did you say I have messed things up by putting Rich Matt on? The skimmed plasterboards had been up for over 2 months drying and I did use 50% paint/water Rich Matt miscoat to seal the plaster as well - am I still going to gave problems just purely because I used Rich Matt rather than Supermatt?

I have now painted over this miscoat with some silk, slightly watered down, and I will be painting a final coat next weekend. It looks ok so far but I'm just worried I've done something wrong and because I put Rich Matt on it'll all start peeling!!! Thanks for the tips about the lining paper, we're going to try and start lining the walls in the next few weeks. Really appreciate the help, I've never done any diy before, my family always paid professionals but I can't really afford to!