ukpc ticket for overstay in drop off zone HELP?

Saniayaan

Thank you so much Redx, i have sent an email to the hospital PALS department also, and I will now send the appeal you have outlined for me to UKPC, and then go through the POPLA threads and read them carefully and then draft an appeal, i will post the POPLA on here for you to check out for me.

I just didn't understand some of the points on the POPLA appeals, like the landowner contract, it was a hospital drop of zone with a sign showing 5 mins drop off limit and some other signs pretty high and small writing..
But I will read and re read all the stuff and draft my response, as you say they will reject my appeal.

Thanks for baring with me Redx.

Redx

doesnt matter if you dont understand the finer points of law , they are not your concern

what matters is that you appeal on certain points of law and are basically asking them to prove their case, seeing as they are the ones who brought the case in the first place

so by appealing on the 3 main appeal points of not a gpeol , no contract (no locus standi) and bad signage etc, you are asking popla to make the PPC prove each and every point you raise or face a loss on appeal, meaning you win, and you only win on one point so doesnt matter what that point is

what happened on the day is largely irrelevant as popla dont do mitigating circumstances and actually say so on their website

so what matters to you and me doesnt matter to popla or the ppc , the ppc just want the money from your wallet or purse and dont care how they get it, by fair means or foul. so you fight fire with fire and as a newbie you have to learn quickly

on here you get tough love, but you have to bear in mind people replies are to help you understand and defeat these disgusting companies with their petty rules and lack of compassion or understanding , not to make friends with you or pass the time of day

they dont play fair, so we make the jump through hoops before they get any money

in your case the landowner is the trust , if we assume no loss then you owe nothing, if we assume you owed them say £3 parking fee and say £7 admin fee for chasing you for it , then you owe a tenner in total (or the OFT said £12) so clearly £70 or £100 is unfair, which is why you came here in the first place

ie:- the punishment does not fit the "crime" !

so read this for a simple explanation and wise up asap

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4835943

Welsh_Exile

Saniayaan - the main thing to get your head around in the crazy world of private parking tickets is that it doesn't matter what happened on the day, that is usually just mitigation which won't win at POPLA.
What matters is challenging the whole basis of the parking charge and that's where the contact that supposedly allows the PPC to operate on particular premises and the charge not being a "genuine pre-estimate of loss" comes in. Read the thread that Redx linked to and it should become clear.

Saniayaan

Thank you so much Redx....I appreciate all your help and advice
I will take this as per your instructions..I have sent an email to pals now
im going to send the appeal to ukpc..n draft a popla response and post
it for your review.....lets see how this goes for me.

bod1467

You have plenty time to consider your POPLA response. You only need it if UKPC reject your appeal.

Saniayaan

Hello I've just had a phone call from the PALS department on the concerned Hospital, and she has advised that the cannot do anything about these tickets given out prior to yesterday, as the hospital has taken back the contract from UKPC, and their own hospital security will now be policing the car parks, she has also advised me to appeal against the ticket....where do I stand now, just straight to the UKPC Appeals ready for rejection, or should I mention that they no longer have a contract with the hospital in the Appeals letter??

Thanks

Redx

add it to your soft appeal to UKPC but keep the rest of the appeal as is

so add an extra point 4) about it, but prepare for rejection

good to see at least one hospital taking the common sense approach at least and doing the job themselves after being let down by these PPC`s

hopefully they will all take note soon

Saniayaan

What do you think Redx??
Dear UKPC

As the registered keeper of xxxxx I'm in receipt of your parking invoice xxxxxxxxdated xxxxxxxx. I wish to invoke your appeals process as all liability to yourcompany is denied on the following:

1) The amount being claimed is not a genuine pre-estimate of loss to yourcompany or the landowner


2) Your signage does not comply with the BPA Code of Practice


3) You are not the landowner and do not have the capacity to offer contracts orto bring a claim for trespass.

4) after having spoken to the PALS department of thesaid hospital, you are no longer contracted by them as of xxxxxxxxx, hence haveno authority to chase the above invoice.

These points and others will be raised with POPLA should you not accept thisappeal, and you will be expected to provide a full breakdown of your allegedloss, and your full unredacted contract with the landowner.

If you do reject the challenge and insist on taking the matter further I mustinform you that I may claim my expenses from you. The expenses I may claim arenot exhaustive but may include the cost of stamps, envelopes, travel expenses,legal fees, etc. By continuing to pursue me you agree to pay these costs when Iprevail.

Any communication that does not either confirm cancellation or include a POPLAverification code shall be reported to the BPA as a breach of their Code ofPractice - the BPA recently issued guidance to all members to remind them ofthis fact. Such communication may also be deemed harassment and pursuedaccordingly.

Saniayaan

Hi im trying to send an Online Appeal to UKPC, and have pasted the above, but it keeps telling me that it needs to be 1000 characters max, can anyone help?

bod1467

Print it out and send it by post? (Get a certificate of posting from the PO).

PS - have a read through it and make sure the grammar is correct, including capitalisation.

Dear UKPC
As the registered keeper of xxxxx I'm in receipt of your parking invoice xxxxxxxxdated xxxxxxxx. I wish to invoke your appeals process as all liability to your company is denied on the following:

1) The amount being claimed is not a genuine pre-estimate of loss to your company or the landowner
2) Your signage does not comply with the BPA Code of Practice
3) You are not the landowner and do not have the capacity to offer contracts or to bring a claim for trespass.
4) After having spoken to the PALS department of the said hospital, you are no longer contracted by them as of xxxxxxxxx, hence have no authority to chase the above invoice.

These points and others will be raised with POPLA should you not accept this appeal, and you will be expected to provide a full breakdown of your alleged loss, and your full unredacted contract with the landowner.

If you do reject the challenge and insist on taking the matter further I must inform you that I may claim my expenses from you. The expenses I may claim are not exhaustive but may include the cost of stamps, envelopes, travel expenses,legal fees, etc. By continuing to pursue me you agree to pay these costs when I prevail.

Any communication that does not either confirm cancellation or include a POPLA verification code shall be reported to the BPA as a breach of their Code ofPractice - the BPA recently issued guidance to all members to remind them of this fact. Such communication may also be deemed harassment and pursued accordingly.