do i have a leg to stand on

mrsangry2013

newbie and luddite here so please be patient
attended a retail park with limited parking spaces all full so parked in area with yellow hatched lines and clipped double yellow too
there are actually no parking charges for parking at the site however returned to the car to find pcn parking charge notice affixed to windscreen,in effect charging me for parking in a free car park as a matter of interest the car caused no obstruction to other car park users
I wonder if anyone has any advice
many thanks

Guys_Dad

If you don't read Coupon-Mad's specially prepared sticky at the top of the forum https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4816822 you will need to change your MSE forum name.

mrsangry2013

sorry am I being dense
why will I have to change my forum name?
have read the item you advised but couldnt find anything specifically relevant to my question ie parking charge levied for parking in a free parking area
sorry but I am new to computing and even newer to using a forum
thanks for your patience

Stroma

He said to change your name as a joke, coupon mad gets mad when people don't read her sticky thread

And that thread is very relevant to you, probably 90% of threads on private land is about free parking, and that thread is directly about that

mrsangry2013

thanks stroma
sense of humour been dented somewhat today,but thought I had breached some forum etiquette
I agree with relevance to a point but couldn't find anything specifically relating to the fact that ticket was issued for allegedly illegally parking out of their marked bays,perhaps I am expecting too much,as I say I am very green
thanks once again

Guys_Dad

Let's hope your sense of humour is switched on now.

This is the situation and I have resurrected this from an older thread.

You have contravened one of their supposed t&c and are concentrating on "What have I done wrong? I haven't inconvenienced anyone". They believe they are acting with some legitimacy.

Our point is " regardless of the facts, PPCs are penalising motorists to a ludicrous extent to which they are not entitled and we concentrate on helping people based on that point"

Suppose you had been caught doing 35 mph in a 30 mph limit. You get to the Magistrates court and they say "Guilty. Lock him up for 2 years".

You would get a brief to appeal the sentence, not the verdict.

So that's the case here. You are appealing the "sentence" of £100 that does not fit the "crime",

So, you major on the "No genuine pre-estimate of loss" point.

Also, suppose the PPC didn't have the right to charge you 1p as they didn't have a valid contract with the landowner? So you demand that they produce the contract in question that actually specifies that they are allowed to charge you.

Going back to the "crime" of speeding. Suppose that there were no 30mph signs up and it wasn't obvious that you were in built up area. Would that be fair? So you challenge the signage of the park in question. Obviously the signage was inadequate or you would have seen it.

Basically, that's it in a nutshell.

Coupon-mad

mrsangry2013 wrote: »

thanks stroma
sense of humour been dented somewhat today,but thought I had breached some forum etiquette I agree with relevance to a point but couldn't find anything specifically relating to the fact that ticket was issued for allegedly illegally parking out of their marked bays, perhaps I am expecting too much,as I say I am very green thanks once again

Please read the guidance again, completely forgetting the irrelevant detail such as what the excuse was for them issuing the fake PCN.

It doesn't matter!!

The appeal is the same and the POPLA winning points will be the same.