Effect of Scottish Independence Vote

rpc

mikey_45 wrote: »

incandescant you say am a troll just because i am voting yes. fool. the stuff you talk about the man in the street does not give a monkeys, fiscal union, no pound, out of europe in europe, no bbc tv. we will let the smart people work out the tough stuff decisions to be made, but the working man and all of scotland will make the biggest decision

So you don't give a monkeys about the cost of living (housing costs, leccy bills, cost of food - all likely to increase post Yes). You don't give a monkeys about jobs and prosperity?

The "tough stuff" IS the biggest decision.

I agree that the emotional argument is the one that Yes are making headway with, but that doesn't mean it is the right one to base a decision on. I probably count as a "smart person" (Chartered Engineer, Doctor of Engineering) and I prefer evidence based decision making and rational, logical argument. Emotion has little place in decisions of this magnitude - we should save it for the rugby (where you will hear me say some terrible things about the English, I'm sure).

you will have to stand on your own two feet

As will Scotland. That is where the Yes campaign falls down. It is presented as just changing our governance. When really we would be changing everything.

no more raping of our great country

Remind me who is meant to be trotting out "utter crap and lies" again? (the raping bit, I agree that Scotland is great and I want to keep it that way)

rpc

iAMaLONDONER wrote: »

Also would an independent Scotland be able to fund the £85,000 fscs protection that we all (As UK depositors) enjoy?

EU law says we must.

If we can't, then we can't join the EU.

incandescent

mikey_45 wrote: »

incandescant you say am a troll just because i am voting yes. fool.

No, i called you a troll because of the content of your posts.

the stuff you talk about the man in the street does not give a monkeys, fiscal union, no pound, out of europe in europe, no bbc tv.

The man in the street doesn't care if his savings are destroyed or his employer goes out of business? He doesn't care if spending on public services is slashed or if his income tax and VAT bills soar? Really?

we will let the smart people work out the tough stuff decisions to be made, but the working man and all of scotland will make the biggest decision, marking a little X in a box saying yes. you have been very dishonest with your scaremongering, trotting out silly facts everyone knows is utter crap and lies. real people dont care about that, got it. we can do it, we will do it, and there is nothing you can do about it. you will have to stand on your own two feet no more raping of our great country. there now scaremonger, no one cares what you say. do they

The facts you're referring to are on the SNP government's own website, as I demonstrated earlier.

This is the reason I called you a troll

If you're not a troll, I can only assume you're getting help to use the web :rotfl:

PS Every time you use the word "scaremonger", the more ridiculous you sound.

incandescent

zagubov wrote: »

Everywhere's bigger or smaller than Scotland. What of it? Luxembourg's bigger than Iceland. Its banks are bigger proportionally than Scotland's .

As for Denmark (and Norway who you've forgotten to mention interestingly enough), their take-home pay's much more than ours even after the tax.

If you are seriously comparing Luxembourg's economy to that of anywhere else on the planet, then you are only demonstrating your own lack of understanding.

Norway's average tax burden is over 50% and their prices are sky high. They pay 25% VAT and that also applies to food items. Plus, had you ever actually been to Norway, you would realise that it's an utterly different country in every way from us.

You can cherry pick all the countries you want to (and discard them when convenient too), but you still have not demonstrated why independence would make Scotland a better place than it is now.

You're very fussy about who you think Scotland should be compared with, don't you think?:)

I presented figures earlier comparing the UK to pretty much the whole EU (including Denmark!) and the USA. I discussed Iceland and Ireland, which the SNP used to love comparing us to but suddenly don't want to any more.

I'm not the fussy one here.

incandescent

zagubov wrote: »

Everywhere's bigger or smaller than As for Denmark (and Norway who you've forgotten to mention interestingly enough), their take-home pay's much more than ours even after the tax.

Another point about country comparisons is that you can't simply compare absolute figures.

Denmark and Norway are very high cost economies. In these cases you have to look at Purchasing Power Parity - which measures what you can actually do with your money - not nominal GDP.

Denmark's nominal GDP is about $324 billion, higher than Scotland's. But it's PPP is only around $211 billion, which is actually slightly lower than Scotland's.

Norway's nominal GDP is about $515 billion, much higher than Scotland. But it's PPP is only about $282 billion. Higher than Scotland's but not significantly. And of course, Norway's oil resources dwarf Scotland's. We are not Norway and never will be. We are Scotland.

mikey_45

are you for real incandescant, am not referring to the snp website. am speaking from the heart and how i feel about the yes or no vote. most of you people think nothing is going to work if we go it alone. that makes everyone who has worked hard and fought to have the right to have this vote look like silly fools who are going to destroy scotland, really, never heard so much tosh in my life. thats why people will vote yes, they cant stand the insults to there intelligence with all the scaremongering. all you seem to do is worry about money. would not worry about us we have lots and lots of money. we are just not allowed to spend it; someone in london says we cant, hard to believe i know. who would have thought that would have worked. if we can put up with that crap for years we can be a great nation again on our own terms. cant wait, the future of my kids and grandkids is rosy. VOTE YES

iAMaLONDONER

rpc wrote: »

EU law says we must.

If we can't, then we can't join the EU.

Didn't the EU bend the rules to allow Greece into the Eurozone? (Although it was a disaster for everyone concerned).

Also Scotland going from being run from London to Brussels via the Euro is like going from the pan into the fire!

incandescent

mikey_45 wrote: »

are you for real incandescant, am not referring to the snp website. am speaking from the heart and how i feel about the yes or no vote. most of you people think nothing is going to work if we go it alone. that makes everyone who has worked hard and fought to have the right to have this vote look like silly fools who are going to destroy scotland, really, never heard so much tosh in my life. thats why people will vote yes, they cant stand the insults to there intelligence with all the scaremongering. all you seem to do is worry about money. would not worry about us we have lots and lots of money. we are just not allowed to spend it; someone in london says we cant, hard to believe i know. who would have thought that would have worked. if we can put up with that crap for years we can be a great nation again on our own terms. cant wait, the future of my kids and grandkids is rosy. VOTE YES

No, people making their decision based on assertions which can easily be shown to be false, are the ones making our country look stupid.

How exactly is quoting the SNP's own figures "scaremongering"? Does that mean the SNP are "scaremongers" too?

Explain that to me. And try to do it rationally without insulting me, just for a change.

And who in London is stopping us spending money? I refer you again to the SNP government's own website, which says that Scotland only raised £53 billion in taxes, but somehow managed to spend £65 billion. Think about that for Christ's sake.

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2014/03/7888

I honestly pray that you are a troll, because if your level of intelligence is in any way indicative of the Scottish electorate then god help us.

mikey_45

£53 billion in taxes ye thats right. and you kept about the same plus more with our oil and gas. simples

incandescent

mikey_45 wrote: »

£53 billion in taxes ye thats right. and you kept about the same plus more with our oil and gas. simples

"You"? I am Scottish.

And if you bothered to read the link, you would see that these are the SNP's own figures and INCLUDE oil and gas.

The same page points out that if oil and gas are excluded then the deficit is even higher - £17.6 billion.

Read it for god's sake.