Coming off DLA

tinkledom

A_Flock_Of_Sheep wrote: »

I guess it is up to you tinkledom. I guess you can wear your halo with pride.

For others the money is essential for their very survival and ability to live an independent life.

Oh and PIP doesn't take into consideration medication actually. You can score merely 1 point for anything to do with medication. You only score higher points for prescribed therapy such a physio for Cystic Fibrosis.

This is described as "the pointless point" in the Benefits and Work guide to PIP. Also any aids you use do not take into consideration medication. If for example you have Arthritis and use simply 1 aid such as a lightweight pan you score the 2 points towards the 8 needed for the Standard rate,

The losers on PIP will be those who have difficulty moving around indoors, require supervision for behaviour and those with conditions such as epilepsy.

Those that might gain will be those with multiple co-existing conditions such as ME with Fibromialgia or say ME with a mental health problem.

As for pride, it's more a question of what is or isn't morally right. You are talking about PIP, the thread is about DLA and I have been talking about AA. What on earth has money to do with it. Surely you are not suggesting that you see PIP/DLA/AA as nothing more than a 'top up' of an already reasonable income? I'm pleased that you mention Arthritis as that along with ME and Fibro have long been the modern 'bad back' syndrome that no one can actually say what the truth actually is. There is no test to prove one way or another as to the deemed severity of the problem.

Poppie68

tinkledom wrote: »

As for pride, it's more a question of what is or isn't morally right. You are talking about PIP, the thread is about DLA and I have been talking about AA. What on earth has money to do with it. Surely you are not suggesting that you see PIP/DLA/AA as nothing more than a 'top up' of an already reasonable income? I'm pleased that you mention Arthritis as that along with ME and Fibro have long been the modern 'bad back' syndrome that no one can actually say what the truth actually is. There is no test to prove one way or another as to the deemed severity of the problem.

Arthritis can be confirmed with Xrays and scans...fibro is a very painful and deliberating condition along with other factors. You come and live a day in my shoes and then tell me if it's the 'modern day, bad back'

Poppie68

superwoman4 wrote: »

Andy alert!

It does'nt take him long to give himself away now....must be his age!

tinkledom

Poppie68 wrote: »

Arthritis can be confirmed with Xrays and scans...fibro is a very painful and deliberating condition along with other factors. You come and live a day in my shoes and then tell me if it's the 'modern day, bad back'

I agree that Arthritis can be seen on scans/XRays. However that is it. There is no test that can prove that the deemed needs are that great. Many people have Arthritis some will be honest and describe their problems honestly and accurately others will exaggerate them simply because there is no test to prove the severity that is claimed.
As for ME/fibro, maybe you can enlighten me as to what tests can be carried out to prove those conditions and I don't mean a default acceptance and what tests can be made to prove that the needs claimed actually exist to the degree claimed?

Indie_Kid

A_Flock_Of_Sheep wrote: »

Oh and PIP doesn't take into consideration medication actually. You can score merely 1 point for anything to do with medication. You only score higher points for prescribed therapy such a physio for Cystic Fibrosis.

This is described as "the pointless point" in the Benefits and Work guide to PIP. Also any aids you use do not take into consideration medication. If for example you have Arthritis and use simply 1 aid such as a lightweight pan you score the 2 points towards the 8 needed for the Standard rate,

This is ridiculous. I take medication up to 7 times a day and need help doing so. Yet, some things that are much less frequent score more points. Makes no sense at all.

tinkledom

sh1305 wrote: »

This is ridiculous. I take medication up to 7 times a day and need help doing so. Yet, some things that are much less frequent score more points. Makes no sense at all.

Many genuine and severely disabled people will fail to gather enough points in a PIP assessment, yet they may well have been awarded DLA - High Mobility & Care for years and have 'passed' many renewals.
That's the problem with fixed descriptors, there is no scope to challenge a decision if your particular problems relating to care & mobility fall outside of the box. ESA all over again.

margaretclare

tinkledom wrote: »

I'm in a similar situation with my wife but it is Attendance Allowance. Personally I can't see that my wife is entitled to it any longer so have reported those facts to the DWP. They immediately suspended the award pending a new claim form being completed. Whether I complete it for her is another matter as I can't see how she is entitled.
Your comments are in my opinion a little too close to the mark in suggesting that everybody should claim DLA even if they think that they are not entitled. In reality I hope that doesn't happen as it will play havoc with the cases where people actually believe that they are entitled to claim. You shouldn't just fill out a claim form, ignoring the hours and days it takes to complete it, on a speculative basis.

Whether you can or can't 'see it', AA is claimed by the individual, not by someone else claiming it on their behalf. Therefore it is your wife's business if she claims it or not. It is her money, to do with as she pleases. Basically it is to make her life easier. I can't emphasise too strongly - it's her money, not yours!

Morglin

margaretclare wrote: »

Whether you can or can't 'see it', AA is claimed by the individual, not by someone else claiming it on their behalf. Therefore it is your wife's business if she claims it or not. It is her money, to do with as she pleases. Basically it is to make her life easier. I can't emphasise too strongly - it's her money, not yours!

Probably best not to feed the troll......:whistle:

Lin

margaretclare

Yes, I know, Lin, and I didn't mean to. It just annoys me so much, the way this guy talks about his wife's money, her right to it or not, as if it was his when it's nowt to do with him. It's hers!

tinkledom

margaretclare wrote: »

Whether you can or can't 'see it', AA is claimed by the individual, not by someone else claiming it on their behalf. Therefore it is your wife's business if she claims it or not. It is her money, to do with as she pleases. Basically it is to make her life easier. I can't emphasise too strongly - it's her money, not yours!

Of course it is, but left to my wife, she might just get past page 1 of the claim form.


She relies on me to fill her forms in and relies on my opinion as to how disabled she is. I couldn't sit down with my wife to ask her 'how does this affect you?' - she would tell me 'you know how it affects me'. I sit down with her and put my point of view across - it's up to her to say if she agrees with me or not. However she very rarely does disagree, leaving all forms and letters for me to deal with the best way I can. I can't remember the last time she even opened a letter which was addressed to her. Her hands make holding things, writing etc impossible.


Hence all benefit claim forms are completed by me, based on my opinion with her signing each one the best way that she can.


Based on what I know as to what the DWP expect in an Attendance Allowance claim and the previous history of the many failed claims made, I do doubt now that she is entitled to anything. Do I complete another form with everything that it entails knowing that it will probably be knocked back anyhow?
Or maybe I should follow your view, hand her the claim form and a pen and tell her to get on with it, telling her that if it fails don't come complaining to me. Maybe that is the answer to remove all responsibility of my wife - tell her she is on her own to make her own decsions.