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sent for workfare placement when i already do voluntary work
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oh please are you only on here to have a go at those on benefits?
Slave labour is a well known and fair term for what the OP is describing.
Stop with the false outrage.
It's not slave labour as he has the choice of not doing it. He only needs to do it if he wants to receive benefits. Doing work in exchange for money is not slavery, its employment.0 -
spacey2012 wrote: »Spaceys conclusion is :
If you are receiving benefits and you could be working, you are a slacker.
Those that truly need them, the sick, the elderly, those struggling to bring kids up I support 100%
However doing some voluntary work and then signing on whilst the tax payer picks up the tab is not acceptable in my book.
If they are putting in the hours now in the same role, what is the problem.
failing this there is another option, get a paid job and stop expecting others to keep you.
That is my Conclusion.
Struggling to bring kids up? Like my neighbour who at one point had 6 kids under the 18 and raked in a fair amount in benefits and working tax/child tax credits and I would assume still does. I dont have kids but when I was on JSA I got 71 quid a week and some housing benefit. Im aware that kids dont feed themselves, but when you have someone like her and her partner, both who havent worked a day in the last 20 years, he swans around the place in designer jackets. They also dont live together because theyd get less money in benefit if they made a joint claim.
Being on benefits for some people gives them the equivalent of a decent wage and no wonder those people are content to sit out their lives on benefits.
I worked full time for a long time and when I was made redundant I did go out and do voluntary work. I also spent my own money re training. I dont claim JSA now, but I still get housing benefit as I dont bring in a fantastic wage. The problem with making statements such as the above, is that when you are actually in the position of looking for work, which I was a couple of years ago, in areas such as mine you can have 300 people chasing every vacancy. I have a degree and two post grads and 15 years work experience and all I could get was 13 hours a week at 6.50 an hour. I spent a year looking for a second job and failed. Its not that easy out there for a lot of people who are actively looking for work. And as for workfare, I dont think it was in place when I last signed on, but I do know someone who spent 26 weeks working in a chip shop for her benefit, when that placement ended, they just found someone else. Its slave labour, why should it be acceptable just because someone is on benefit, that they work a 30 hour week for 71 pounds?
Im also intelligent enough to realise that some people who have kids are caught in a benefit trap because of the cost of childcare and low wages, but when you have people who get around £14 or £15 000 in benefits a year because they have children, theres no incentive for them to get back into the working world.
Its people like me who were on 71 quid a week and no extra benefits who I expect would struggle the most. There are also many people out there on long term sickness benefits who could work and just dont want to. Ive heard people boasting about it, being on the sick and being able to stay on it. Im also aware that a lot of people who should be on ESA are being kicked off, but historically there have been many people all over the UK who could work and ended up being on Incapacity Benefit for years at a time. I live in an area of high unemployment and the housing estate I live in has something like 85 per cent of people who claim benefits such as income support/JSA.
Its all very well saying to someone if you dont like it get a paid job. There may be a lot of jobs out there, but theres hundreds of people chasing them at a time. I also have nothing negative to say about my last job centre adviser, they were nothing but supportive to me.
I dont agree that all job centre advisers are hitlers or whatever else terminology that people want to use, but its really not as easy as saying if you dont like it, get a job, if it were that easy, there wouldnt be as many people claiming JSA as there are.0 -
Havent got time to read all the replies but when i reminded my advisor that i already did voluntary work he saw my point and scrapped it.
he was incompetent again. They know i do voluntary work but he hadnt noted it down.if he worked in bank he would be out seriously. The manager also covers up for him and they keep it in house.
I actually dont think that people with a chip on their shoulder about job centre staff helps their argument either. People make mistakes, its a waste of energy in my view. I do know what its like to be unemployed, but entire threads devoted to slagging off DWP staff baffles me somewhat. Im aware some people probably dont get treated well, but when I signed on it was in, sign, hand over my booklet and talk about anything else I needed to discuss and that was me for the next two weeks, it certainly didnt take up much more of my thinking time beyond that.0 -
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Struggling to bring kids up? Like my neighbour who at one point had 6 kids under the 18 and raked in a fair amount in benefits and working tax/child tax credits and I would assume still does. I dont have kids but when I was on JSA I got 71 quid a week and some housing benefit. Im aware that kids dont feed themselves, but when you have someone like her and her partner, both who havent worked a day in the last 20 years, he swans around the place in designer jackets. They also dont live together because theyd get less money in benefit if they made a joint claim.
Being on benefits for some people gives them the equivalent of a decent wage and no wonder those people are content to sit out their lives on benefits.
I worked full time for a long time and when I was made redundant I did go out and do voluntary work. I also spent my own money re training. I dont claim JSA now, but I still get housing benefit as I dont bring in a fantastic wage. The problem with making statements such as the above, is that when you are actually in the position of looking for work, which I was a couple of years ago, in areas such as mine you can have 300 people chasing every vacancy. I have a degree and two post grads and 15 years work experience and all I could get was 13 hours a week at 6.50 an hour. I spent a year looking for a second job and failed. Its not that easy out there for a lot of people who are actively looking for work. And as for workfare, I dont think it was in place when I last signed on, but I do know someone who spent 26 weeks working in a chip shop for her benefit, when that placement ended, they just found someone else. Its slave labour, why should it be acceptable just because someone is on benefit, that they work a 30 hour week for 71 pounds?
Im also intelligent enough to realise that some people who have kids are caught in a benefit trap because of the cost of childcare and low wages, but when you have people who get around £14 or £15 000 in benefits a year because they have children, theres no incentive for them to get back into the working world.
Its people like me who were on 71 quid a week and no extra benefits who I expect would struggle the most. There are also many people out there on long term sickness benefits who could work and just dont want to. Ive heard people boasting about it, being on the sick and being able to stay on it. Im also aware that a lot of people who should be on ESA are being kicked off, but historically there have been many people all over the UK who could work and ended up being on Incapacity Benefit for years at a time. I live in an area of high unemployment and the housing estate I live in has something like 85 per cent of people who claim benefits such as income support/JSA.
Its all very well saying to someone if you dont like it get a paid job. There may be a lot of jobs out there, but theres hundreds of people chasing them at a time. I also have nothing negative to say about my last job centre adviser, they were nothing but supportive to me.
I dont agree that all job centre advisers are hitlers or whatever else terminology that people want to use, but its really not as easy as saying if you dont like it, get a job, if it were that easy, there wouldnt be as many people claiming JSA as there are.
good post and I agree with most of it.
The point about single people on £71 a week is a good one, have a couple of kids and your money trebles, but your bills don't, it still costs the same for a single person to heat a flat as it does a woman and 2 kids, so why do they get 3 times more beneftis? it's these people with many kids and find work will never pay for them, that is the problem, but the government find it hard to touch those people because of the kids, so it's the single people that get hit the most, add in the fact that the tories will also not touch OAPs as they are their main supporters, it just means the single get hit all the harder.0 -
The court sends people to work in a charity shop? I thought the court sends people to prison.
You know what i mean. People have been in trouble with the police can be sent to work in a charity shop. Jobseekers are not criminals so why should they have too.
Jobseekers are askec to do more hours as well. They are often bullied and treatec badly thinking they cant complain becausd they will lose their money.
for further education read the boycott welfare site instead of putting flippant comments.:footie:0 -
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I actually dont think that people with a chip on their shoulder about job centre staff helps their argument either. People make mistakes, its a waste of energy in my view. I do know what its like to be unemployed, but entire threads devoted to slagging off DWP staff baffles me somewhat. Im aware some people probably dont get treated well, but when I signed on it was in, sign, hand over my booklet and talk about anything else I needed to discuss and that was me for the next two weeks, it certainly didnt take up much more of my thinking time beyond that.
Ive not had any trouble before i was referred back to the jobcentre. The work programme staff were nice too.
on the first day i met this advisor he was laying in to me and being rude trying to square bash me. Then he made a series of errors without ever an apology. If he had worked in a bank he wojld have been sacked. He even committec a data protection misuse which i reported to the Ico.
he is still making mistakes today. Not only is he nasty he is incompetent. As for being an advisor what do they advise on. He never tells me anything. Ive got every right to complain about mine but i have not had any trouble before so i dont make a habit of it.
Therd should be sanctions for the staff when they dont do their job properly.:footie:0 -
No I don't know what you mean at all.You know what i mean. People have been in trouble with the police can be sent to work in a charity shop. Jobseekers are not criminals so why should they have too.
Jobseekers are askec to do more hours as well. They are often bullied and treatec badly thinking they cant complain becausd they will lose their money.
for further education read the boycott welfare site instead of putting flippant comments.
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