Euro Car Parks PCN

A_New_Dawn

Received my first ever car park fine today from Euro Car Parks after a friend said it was cool to park there. So I parked my car, foolishly didn't read the signs and went to a local restaurant. ECP say that it was 120 minutes free parking and I overstayed by 40 minutes and the letter has camera shots of my car and the time of entry and exit.

Is it OK to ignore this?

Thanks so much in advance

AoD

No - definitely don't ignore!

All you need to know is in the stickies at the top of this forum but basically you will be appealing to Euro Car Parks as the keeper (don't say who was driving!), telling them that their charge is not a genuine pre-estimate of loss, their signs are inadequate etc.

Then you get a POPLA code when ECP reject your appeal and you then appeal to POPLA where with our help you will win!

And it is NOT a fine!

Redx

if its in E+W , send them this (do not ignore)

Dear ECP,

As the registered keeper of (reg) I'm in receipt of your parking invoice xxxxxx dated xxxxxx. I wish to invoke your appeals process as all liability to your company is denied on the following:

1) The amount being claimed is not a genuine pre-estimate of loss to your company or the landowner
2) Your signage does not comply with the BPA Code of Practice
3) You are not the landowner and do not have the capacity to offer contracts or to bring a claim for trespass

These points and others will be raised with Popla should you not accept this appeal, and you will be expected to provide a full breakdown of your alleged loss, and your full unredacted contract with the landowner.

If you do reject the challenge and insist upon taking the matter further I must inform you that I may claim my expenses from you. The expenses I may claim are not exhaustive but may include the cost of stamps, envelopes, travel expenses, legal fees, etc. By continuing to pursue me you agree to pay these costs when I prevail.

Please issue your cancellation within 35 days of this letter, or forward a popla verification code.

Faithfully

then read the NEWBIES - READ THIS FIRST sticky thread at the top of the forum, about 4 down

as mentioned above, it is not a fine , its a parking charge invoice

only a court or judge can "fine" you

nigelbb

What was the date that you parked?

What was the date that you received the letter?

A_New_Dawn

Sorry but what is E&W?

And its says on their letter head that the are a member of BPA so I am assuming that their signs do comply?

Redx wrote: »

if its in E+W , send them this (do not ignore)

then read the NEWBIES - READ THIS FIRST sticky thread at the top of the forum, about 4 down

as mentioned above, it is not a fine , its a parking charge invoice

only a court or judge can "fine" you

A_New_Dawn

I did look at the stickies but it doesn't make too much sense to me right now

AoD wrote: »

No - definitely don't ignore!

All you need to know is in the stickies at the top of this forum but basically you will be appealing to Euro Car Parks as the keeper (don't say who was driving!), telling them that their charge is not a genuine pre-estimate of loss, their signs are inadequate etc.

Then you get a POPLA code when ECP reject your appeal and you then appeal to POPLA where with our help you will win!

And it is NOT a fine!

A_New_Dawn

27 December and got letter today....

nigelbb wrote: »

What was the date that you parked?

What was the date that you received the letter?

Redx

it doesnt make much sense to any newbie, but that is why you need to read and digest the NEWBIES thread by coupon-mad to get up to speed on this

E+W means england and wales (the same laws dont apply to the other 2 countries of the uk)

you never mentioned any dates , or other details, not location either

it definitely will not say FINE on the paperwork either

bod1467

England and Wales. The law changed in October 2012 (only for E+W) which allows parking companies to pursue the registered keeper for their speculative parking invoices. (They are NOT fines, despite what they may try to infer).

This is all covered in the NEWBIES thread. (Link is on both mine and Redx's signatures).

A_New_Dawn

Thanks all *kicking self repeatedly for not reading signs*

Coupon-mad

A_New_Dawn wrote: »

Thanks all *kicking self repeatedly for not reading signs*

Don't beat yourself up! This is only ECP and they are easy to beat at POPLA.

Please do have another read of the Newbies read this first thread - like this poster did, although for some reason he still didn't spot that you don't say who was driving:

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/64274803#Comment_64274803

The thing is, I wrote those sticky threads as we cannot possibly tell people again and again and again the same old same old stuff every day. To an extent we still do, but at least the appeals process and how to complain is covered already. We were not keeping up well in the Summer, hence the Newbies info thread which forces new people to take ownership of their appeal using simple example letters & links for how to win.

Everyone starts somewhere and they all manage it easily. Complete newbies like this person get them cancelled in days:

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4859570

...other complete newbies simply read the sticky threads a couple of times, learn what to do (because it's not exactly rocket science to write an appeal, after all, especially when spoon-fed what to say) and win at POPLA without even needing to start a new thread before they report their simple win at POPLA:

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/64241939#Comment_64241939

Easy once you have read the main sticky info, and it's only a 2 stage appeal - and a complaint to a Restaurant Manager if it's their car park.