Live-In Landlord unhappy with guest staying

token1

Ok thanks for all the assistance. Please, lets not argue about spelling. we all have our own opinions on things. I just want to be sure of mine.

• So Brother A is listed at the LL on the Contract.
• The TA lists me as Tenant of Room B at number 1 Blah Street
• Brother B collects rent on behalf of the LL. My standing order goes into his bank account directly.
• Brother C is staying at the request of his mum (to quote Brother B: she wants him to grow up and start thinking like a man)

I was asked 2 days before he arrived if it was OK and consented to it. I'm an easy going person. It is preventing me from using the living room. But if i'm not pushed into a corner I'll not make a fuss.
Brother B said he would cover the costs of Brother C. so he contributes nothing himself.
I know myself £20 a month is an absurd number for 1 person to use in 1 month. My bill for 6 months in my old place (1BR Maisonnette) was £92.
My girlfriends usage is literally a shower in the morning and usage of the toilet. We are not really eating at the house due to the presence of Brother C.
The bills are not specified in the TA. Its a stock TA from the internet and at that its really only the cover that defines me as a tenant and lists the property details as the residence - I only got a written contract because i needed it to prove i lived at the address in order to get a parking permit.
I have a copy of the advert which stipulates bills are included.

Also, I need to be clear. The problem is not that my girlfriend is present. He has said he is OK with that. His problem is he wants to increase my bills because of her water usage. He hasn't stipulated how much thats going to be. But he created a scene in front of my GF and told me if i didnt accept his new terms he would ask me to leave. Of course, she is scared to come around now. so its just made things really awkward.

mildredalien

If you are staying at your girlfriends place a similar amount of time to when she stays with you, surely utilities usage would balance out due to you NOT requiring a shower, loo, cooking gas etc. for the days you aren't there? Unless you tried to move her in more permanently or she was staying over half the week I think it's reasonable to have her as a guest.

Is Brother A aware that Brother B is trying to charge you more? Your contract is with A not B...

Guest101

token1 wrote: »

Ok thanks for all the assistance. Please, lets not argue about spelling. we all have our own opinions on things. I just want to be sure of mine.

• So Brother A is listed at the LL on the Contract.
• The TA lists me as Tenant of Room B at number 1 Blah Street
• Brother B collects rent on behalf of the LL. My standing order goes into his bank account directly.
• Brother C is staying at the request of his mum (to quote Brother B: she wants him to grow up and start thinking like a man)

I was asked 2 days before he arrived if it was OK and consented to it. I'm an easy going person. It is preventing me from using the living room. But if i'm not pushed into a corner I'll not make a fuss.
Brother B said he would cover the costs of Brother C. so he contributes nothing himself.
I know myself £20 a month is an absurd number for 1 person to use in 1 month. My bill for 6 months in my old place (1BR Maisonnette) was £92.
My girlfriends usage is literally a shower in the morning and usage of the toilet. We are not really eating at the house due to the presence of Brother C.
The bills are not specified in the TA. Its a stock TA from the internet and at that its really only the cover that defines me as a tenant and lists the property details as the residence - I only got a written contract because i needed it to prove i lived at the address in order to get a parking permit.
I have a copy of the advert which stipulates bills are included.

Also, I need to be clear. The problem is not that my girlfriend is present. He has said he is OK with that. His problem is he wants to increase my bills because of her water usage. He hasn't stipulated how much thats going to be. But he created a scene in front of my GF and told me if i didnt accept his new terms he would ask me to leave. Of course, she is scared to come around now. so its just made things really awkward.

Just FYI u can't be asked to leave before ur six months is up. It's a big mistake if they ask u to

Zorz_2

thesaint wrote: »

If I was advising the brother, I would tell him to throw the lodger out, and maintain that he is the landlord who was renting a room out without his brothers permission.

The brother who lives abroad would know nothing of the situation.

Advising for an illegal eviction? How classy!

Let me introduce you to the Protection from Eviction Act of 1977.

token1

He was passive aggressive in saying that there were ways to leave if i wasn't happy. Stating me giving one month or him giving 2 months notice.

Yorkie1

OP, from your latest post, you have an AST for your room. The rent cannot be increased during the fixed term unless you consent. You cannot be made to leave within the first six months. You cannot leave in the first six months unless the LL (brother A) agrees in writing.

What does the tenancy agreement specifically say about bills? I don't see how one person can unilaterally force another to pay more without evidence of the increased usage.

thesaint

Zorz wrote: »

Advising for an illegal eviction? How classy!

Let me introduce you to the Protection from Eviction Act of 1977.

Have you actually read it?

Rhetorical question by the way. You haven't.

jamie11

I think a more likely scenario is that the householder, i.e. the brother, has an agreement for the whole property with his brother as his landlord. That would make the brother in the house the actual landlord for the OP who is his lodger.

That could only be ascertained by viewing all the agreements, if someone uses the wrong forms or does not understand the various forms for lodgers or tenants, the tenancy does not magically transform from one to the other just because the wrong form is used..

00ec25

jamie11 wrote: »

the tenancy does not magically transform from one to the other just because the wrong form is used..

it would appear from the wording given by the OP that they have been granted an AST over a specified room in the house

it further appears that the owner of the property is brother A and it is he who has signed the AST thereby he has not used the wrong form and the fact payment is to brother B not brother A does not mean the wrong form has been used or that OP has magically transformed into a lodger. the paperwork, that none of us have seen, suggests a valid AST has been created and furthermore that brother B appears to have a grasp of aspects of AST since he refers to the 1 month / 2 month notice period (albeit invalidly since the fixed term appears to be still in force)

Guest101

thesaint wrote: »

Have you actually read it?

Rhetorical question by the way. You haven't.

And you are an idiot. Your defending your bad advice and it's getting worse. Hopefully no landlords will actually listen to you, since they are going to be in a lot of trouble because they listen to your advice. I'll explain.

The op has an ast, he is a tenant not a lodger. He has statute and common law rights.

Even if he was a lodger, if you offer a contract for 6 months, then that's what the op is entitled to, there may be other clauses, such as two months notice etc, but it's what the contract says.

If your so confident, I challenge you to give me a lodgers agreement. For 6 months, then try kick me out after a few days. Then the court can make you look silly and not me.