Tory council leader believes ‘basic salary’ is 80k

Macca83_2

CLAPTON wrote: »

if the average (mean) is 17k then one would expect the majority of people received less that 17k
it's basic maths

And therefore the average is basically a meaningless number. The majority are below that figure except for a select few.

At least that's what I think you were trying to say in belittling my statement. Well done Clapton. Did you wake up on the wrong side of the new year bed?

It's basic common sense...

prowla

He doesn't say "basic salary" is 80k.

AndyGuil

A basic salary can be a reference to a salary without benefits on top.

cepheus

The figures are there if you bother to read it!

In reality, anyone earning over £50,000 would be in the top 10 per cent of earners, and the top 30 per cent in Westminster. The average full-time employee in the UK earns £26,200 according to the latest figures from the Annual Survey of Hours and Earnings, while the average basic graduate salary is between £27,000 – £29,000.
Fellow Westminster councillor David Boothroyd said it showed “the sections of society the council leadership is in touch with”.

“With everyone else, they’re not so much out of touch, as completely cut off,” Mr Boothroyd said.

lvader

The average income in Hungary is a few hundred pounds a month, what is your point? You can't equate the city of London with the rest of the UK. If you are a family with a UK average income living in London there is a fair chance you will be on benefits. He was talking about people not on benefits struggling to get on the housing ladder.

CLAPTON

Macca83 wrote: »

And therefore the average is basically a meaningless number. The majority are below that figure except for a select few.

At least that's what I think you were trying to say in belittling my statement. Well done Clapton. Did you wake up on the wrong side of the new year bed?

It's basic common sense...

The arithmetic average isn't a meaningless number at all.
It has a specific meaning and is different to say the 'median'.

The average wage has a specific meaning which implies that more that half the people will be below the average.

However, if you wish to remain ignorant then that's fine.

Generali

CLAPTON wrote: »

The arithmetic average isn't a meaningless number at all.
It has a specific meaning and is different to say the 'median'.

The average wage has a specific meaning which implies that more that half the people will be below the average.

However, if you wish to remain ignorant then that's fine.

I always thought that 'average' meant 'mean'.

If so there's no reason I can see to assume that there will be many more below the mean than above. The fact that the median is higher than the mean shows that there are more people above mean wage than below.

cepheus

The point is this councillor and anyone else who believes that salary is average by any definition (whether Westminster, London or UK) is completely unfit for attaining a level or responsibility in local Government, and should immediately resign. It also shows more generic problems with voting in a group of elitists, they won't take sensible decisions for society as a whole.

Medians are often used for salary assessments of a population since a few exceptionally high salaries can skew the average. Means overestimate salaries for the typical person which is the context of the quote.

Generali

cepheus wrote: »

The point is this councillor and anyone else who believes that salary is average by any definition (whether Westminster, London or UK) is completely unfit for attaining a level or responsibility in local Government, and should immediately resign. It also shows more generic problems with voting in a group of elitists, they won't take sensible decisions for society as a whole.

Medians are often used for salary assessments of a population since a few exceptionally high salaries can skew the average. Means overestimate salaries for the typical person which is the context of the quote.

But the numbers quoted above contradict that. The mean is lower than the median which means that there are low earners dragging the mean down.

Generali

cepheus wrote: »

The point is this councillor and anyone else who believes that salary is average by any definition (whether Westminster, London or UK) is completely unfit for attaining a level or responsibility in local Government, and should immediately resign. It also shows more generic problems with voting in a group of elitists, they won't take sensible decisions for society as a whole.

Medians are often used for salary assessments of a population since a few exceptionally high salaries can skew the average. Means overestimate salaries for the typical person which is the context of the quote.

According to your quote, he doesn't say the salary of '£80k' is average.

You're just hating on Tories.