UKCPS Ticket

Sandarra

Im hoping for some guidance, this is my first post. My daughter was in Leeds last week when she was almost at the metre to pay a woman ran up to her and gave her a ticket that had 12 hours on it she said she bought it but after an hour was going home. My daughter put the ticket on her car, and shopped for 2 hours. Today a letter has arrived from UKCPS saying CCTV noted she did not pay and are asking for £60. So, what she thought was a kind gesture from a stranger is costing dearly, it also makes me wonder if this is entrapment after all not many people would refuse a ticket. Lost of threads I have read say dont pay, but I also dont want this to escalate to £100. And the bottom line she didnt pay the £5 to park for 2 hours. Any suggestions welcome. Thank you

Stroma

A few questions

1) is she the registered keeper?
2) is this England or Wales ?
3) has she contacted the parking company?
4) has she made any complaints to the retailer/landowner?

bod1467

Have you read the NEWBIES thread? (See my signature below).

Redx

its also worth noting that your vehicle reg number goes into these ticket machines and one reason is to stop the transferring of tickets as the purchased ticket would only have been valid for the reg number it was purchased with

obviously your daughters vehicle was clocked in and out by anpr and no ticket purchased for the reg number of her vehicle, hence this PCN in the post

in other words the ticket was useless for her car, no its unlikely to be a scam, just people mistakenly thinking they can pass tickets on in the vain hope of saving somebody else some money like they used to do years ago

in any case, forget what happened , answer those earlier questions and you will have to "bone up" on what this all means and how to go about quashing the ticket (which is why most people come on here)

Sandarra

Hello Storma
My daughter is the registered keeper, in England, and no contact or complaint has been made. The letter says a warden or an ANPR camera system observed the vehicle and photographed it, parking charge is mentioned several times in the letter. I dont think you need to add your reg at the ticket machine, but i will check next time i am in Leeds, Thank you

spacey2012

Where is this ticket ? does she still have the ticket she was given by this woman.

Sandarra

Sadly no she is so upset because she gave it to an elderly man when she left the car park as it was still valid she is so upset as he too will have received a letter and its probably spoilt his Christmas, she was only trying to pass on a good deed.

spacey2012

Then, the ticket story is absolutely of no relevance whatsoever .

From now on, ignore the good deed ticket story, it is only confusing things and she will need to follow the guides how to make a soft appeal to the parking company and correct GPOL appeal to popla.
She must follow the very strict technical point guides and the charge will be cancelled at POPLA, if she keeps pursing the ticket tale, then she will lose at POPLA.

From Now on this is a strict technical case.

Redx

that is the problem, the rules for parking (on the tickets and on the signage probably too) will state that the ticket is not transferable, so the anpr cameras have picked up that no ticket was purchased for the reg number when they cross check the anpr with the ticket machine

has a warden been on site its likely they would have stuck a windscreen pcn on the car, so if this is an NTK in the post within 14 days of the incident then its likely to be what I said, in which case that poor fella may also have a NTK and parking charge issued

you need to explain to your daughter that if she has to pay to park, she pays , otherwise everybody suffers !!

either way, its likely that she SHOULD owe say £5 for parking and maybe £5 to £10 for the dvla charges and admin and postage etc, so a genuine pre-estimate of loss (GPEOL) may be considered to be between £10 and £15 , not the extortionate amount on their parking charge

therefore, if this is an NTK the RK needs to appeal to the PPC without mentioning who was driving, so keep the appeal in the third party, no admitting guilt etc

if that fails (which it will) the RK will require a popla code , and the main reason for this is the not a GPEOL defence which means the punishment did not fit the crime

as per this post here https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4835943

Umkomaas

There's definitely been a scam covered in previous threads where a young (blonde?) woman hands over a ticket with a couple of hours unexpired time still on it.

Grateful motorist thanks her and places it on their dashboard, only to return later to a NtD ticket on the windscreen. I've tried to dig this up via the search engine, but unsuccessfully.

Then there's the Haworth Changegate car park scam covered by Parking Prankster here:

http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2013_06_01_archive.html

And also subject of a long-running thread here:

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/1628325

Not suggesting that this OP's case might have been an extra layer of scam (on top of the scam that is PPC PCNs) .........., but needs to be noted should a pattern develop.

Coupon-mad

Sandarra wrote: »

Sadly no she is so upset because she gave it to an elderly man when she left the car park as it was still valid she is so upset as he too will have received a letter and its probably spoilt his Christmas, she was only trying to pass on a good deed.

So based on the advice above you will now have read the ''Newbies Read this first'' thread at the top of the forum and you'll have seen all the examples about how to appeal in the first instance, as registered keeper. Also 'How to win at POPLA' is linked there which is what will happen at stage 2 if you follow our advice. We win 100% of POPLA appeals.

Do not name the driver. If UKCPS write to ask, or if they don't give a POPLA code and say the case is on hold after your appeal, simply reply and insist on your POPLA code because the registered keeper is allowed to appeal. Use a simple example from the Newbies thread. Easy, first scam of 2014 dealt with.