TicketySplit feedback - official discussion

wealdroam

Muttleythefrog wrote: »

Why not? Where is the extra expense arising from? What am I missing in my mind here.. there must be something.... surely... right?

Read MSE's Cheap Train Tickets article.

In there you will see a whole section on split ticketing which includes:

This is the big trick everyone should know. Instead of buying tickets for the whole journey, bizarrely, buying tickets for its constituent parts separately can slash the price – even though you're travelling on exactly the same train.

Here's another example:
An Anytime Single from Stevenage to Doncaster is £91.
An Anytime Single from Stevenage to Grantham is £45.
An Anytime Single from Grantham to Doncaster is £29.

That's a saving of £17.

Are you suggesting that 'the railway' are charging you £17 for absolutely nothing?
Yes, that is exactly what they are doing.

That's a direct train. There is no need to even use the facilities, i.e. the platform, at Grantham. No need to change trains. No need to get off the train.

All you are seeing here is the quirks of the railway fares system.

Have you seen this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZflsWy_62Y

wealdroam

Muttleythefrog wrote: »

In the absence of any advice contrary I'll just have to assume it is a rip off.... and buy tickets without underground included and have Oyster used. It could save a significant chunk of the journey cost.

Can I suggest that you cannot always assume that a cross London trip will be charged at £16 or £8 or any particular amount.
But for your particular journey, clearly splitting the tickets and using Oyster payg is the way to go.

Muttleythefrog

wealdroam wrote: »

Now that you've edited your post, can I suggest that you cannot always assume that a cross London trip will be charged at £16 or £8 or any particular amount.
But for your particular journey, clearly splitting the tickets and using Oyster payg is the way to go.

It seems so.. although technically I don't think this would count as splitting the tickets as such.... in effect would be buying the same tickets for the train travel as suggested but would simply not have the underground connection included. Surprised a little I couldn't see any reference to this around the web and hence my pushing query into this loosely related but clearly active thread. There's lots of places telling people how their tickets will be marked to show they have paid for connection on the underground but seemingly nothing on how much this costs as part of their fare. I might do some more comparisons to see how much variance there is seemingly in regard to this... or maybe just wait until summer when flying is viable and much quicker and no more expensive..lol. Thanks for the links... yeah pretty much all studied... our system is a farce... last time I tried to use the train I had to abort at the station due to the panic caused by all the different prices and options for the same route on a ticket machine I couldn't seem to find the right buttons on.

JimmyTheWig

If you have a split ticket and there is a delay, presumably you only get a Delay Repay refund on the bit that was late?

wealdroam

JimmyTheWig wrote: »

If you have a split ticket and there is a delay, presumably you only get a Delay Repay refund on the bit that was late?

No, that is not correct.

Condition 14 of The National Rail Conditions of Travel tells us:

...you may use a combination of two or more Tickets to make a journey provided that the train services you use call at the station(s) where you change from one Ticket to another.

If the time you arrive at the end of your rail journey is sufficiently late, then you are due compensation based on the fare for the whole journey.
Compensation should be claimed from the train operator that caused that late arrival.

yorkie2

JimmyTheWig wrote: »

If you have a split ticket and there is a delay, presumably you only get a Delay Repay refund on the bit that was late?

Delay Repay applies to your journey.

The Conditions of Travel absolutely allow passengers to use two or more tickets for one journey.

Muttleythefrog

yorkie2 wrote: »

Delay Repay applies to your journey.

The Conditions of Travel absolutely allow passengers to use two or more tickets for one journey.

So I guess I need some technocrat to figure out if the same is true if the journey is broken by a transfer underground between London stations not being bought with the tickets.

i.e. Ticket A to B bought with Ticket C to D for journey A to D.
But where B to C is underground connection between London stations (e.g. Kings Cross to Paddington) and tickets are not purchased with this included.

The question arising since I cannot understand why the apparent inclusion in the rail journey of the London transfer can add difficult to justify expense above and beyond the 2 rail tickets bought separately.

wealdroam

Muttleythefrog wrote: »

So I guess I need some technocrat to figure out if the same is true if the journey is broken by a transfer underground between London stations not being bought with the tickets.

i.e. Ticket A to B bought with Ticket C to D for journey A to D.
But where B to C is underground connection between London stations (e.g. Kings Cross to Paddington) and tickets are not purchased with this included.

You definitely do not need to buy all the tickets at the same time.

Your journey consists of three parts.
One part is the tube travel.
Thus you have three tickets covering your journey.

bartonhillbum

yorkie2 wrote: »

A flexible Off Peak return is £80.70 (avoiding London; ie via Birmingham) or £115.70 (via London), if you can travel at the applicable off-peak times. I can't find a £76.35 fare.

The new Trainsplit site finds a combination of flexible fares, via Birmingham totalling £77.01.

If you can tie yourself to specific trains, it may be worth waiting a week or two for non-refundable 'booked train only' Advance Single fares to become available.

Currently, Advance Single fares are available on some of the operators on the relevant routes, but not all.

Hi Yorkie 2
The fare is £76:35p return on both National Rail and also GWR via Paddington on the outward leg and via Birmingham on the return. The only problem is that there seems to be NO trains between 13:00 and 19:00 leaving Grantham.
On Trainline the fare is £77 + plus the extras for booking fee.

bartonhillbum

yorkie2 wrote: »

A flexible Off Peak return is £80.70 (avoiding London; ie via Birmingham) or £115.70 (via London), if you can travel at the applicable off-peak times. I can't find a £76.35 fare.

The new Trainsplit site finds a combination of flexible fares, via Birmingham totalling £77.01.

If you can tie yourself to specific trains, it may be worth waiting a week or two for non-refundable 'booked train only' Advance Single fares to become available.

Currently, Advance Single fares are available on some of the operators on the relevant routes, but not all.

Hi Yorkie 2
The fare is £76:35p return on both National Rail and also GWR via Paddington on the outward leg and via Birmingham on the return. The only problem is that there seems to be NO trains between 13:00 and 19:00 leaving Grantham.
On Trainline the fare is £77 + plus the extras for booking fee.
Just re checked Trainline and they are now quoting £155, as I have to be in Grantham for noon on a Friday and returning on the Sunday after 2pm