Jobcentre wants friend to sign more detailed agreement, he is worried

Abbafan1972

I can't understand why he's not allowed to use the internet at home?

Viberduo

GwylimT wrote: »

Yes, I am well aware that he signs on by post, as someone who has in the past claimed JSA I am also well aware that he will have his transport paid for so he can go to his job centre to use their computers to job hunt, on that day he is also more than able to walk to the nearest library or internet cafe to continue job hunting on the internet and giving out CV's/asking local businesses if there are any available vacancies.

I have never heard of that, he has only once been to his "nearest" jobcentre which I cant remember if he said 2 or 2 and a half hours away by bus as you have to change a few times and that was to sign the original agreement.

And I know from experience and with other friends and family how the jobcentre makes excuses to not pay travel, my mums friend has been told be has to travel 20 miles each way to a full time unpaid placement and pay her own travel each day, and a former flatmate who lost his job and signed back on but the JC lost his P45 so they paid him lower rate and refused him travel so he had to get up around 7am each morning to do a hours walk to work, and back at 6pm for about £20 a week. and with me they used to make excuses only difference is I argue and get MP involved so got each issue sorted.

Viberduo

Abbafan1972 wrote: »

I can't understand why he's not allowed to use the internet at home?

Just uncaring parents, he says they constantly criticise him even when he was younger as had more sucessful older brother.

And even if he did it without their permission he cant get a wireless signal as he is in attic room and would need a massive cable so noticable.

I think he says they have a 10 gig a month limit and worried he will use it up for games but he has offerd to pay the line rental and unlimited internet but they refused.

He even looked at mobile broadband but as he is in the middle of nowhere he only gets a 2G signal.

GwylimT

Maybe the fact that someone considers it a hardship to get up at 7 am and then walk for an hour is why we now have so many problems in this country.

If your friend wants to receive JSA then he has to fulfill his agreements, he also needs to get off his backside and on a bike, buses or taxi's to actually look for a job, its no good saying you will take the first one you get if you are waiting for it to land in your lap.

GwylimT

Viberduo wrote: »

Just uncaring parents, he says they constantly criticise him even when he was younger as had more sucessful older brother.

And even if he did it without their permission he cant get a wireless signal as he is in attic room and would need a massive cable so noticable.

I think he says they have a 10 gig a month limit and worried he will use it up for games but he has offerd to pay the line rental and unlimited internet but they refused.

He even looked at mobile broadband but as he is in the middle of nowhere he only gets a 2G signal.

Is he also not allowed to use his mobile phone downstairs? Are his parents in the house twenty four hours a day?

iammumtoone

Viberduo wrote: »

Its NOT what he has to do, its what he CAN do, he has no real internet access and lives in middle of nowhere so cant apply for the amount of jobs they want, the amount of times he tells me he would take the first job that comes his way as he hates signing on as he is proud as he feels like not working is basically making him rot away and hates being forced to live with parents as they are stereotype strict ones that wake him up 8am every day regardless if he feels rough like has a cold, or been kept awake by dad working late etc.

He even talks to me about moving down to England for work as he would have more opportunities etc.

He has offered to pay the full internet costs to his parents but they refused, the way he speaks about them is he is never good enough even when he was at uni because he has a sucessful older brother who is only a few years older but married and in a good job.

I still can't see why he can't apply for 8 jobs per week? these can be any jobs, you have just said that he is prepared to move so if he only finds two in his local area one week he can make up the rest by applying for somewhere he is willing to move to.

The situation with his parents doesn't sound very nice for him, I can kind of see why they wake him up at 8, they don't want him to lay in all morning because he isn't working but then on the other hand are not helping him find work by refusing internet access.

Does he not have any friends whose internet he could use or maybe his brother would let him use his?

How far away is the nearest library? can he not travel by bus there twice a week to use the internet? sounds to me like it would do him good to get out of the house, if his parents are like that!

Viberduo

GwylimT wrote: »

Maybe the fact that someone considers it a hardship to get up at 7 am and then walk for an hour is why we now have so many problems in this country.

If your friend wants to receive JSA then he has to fulfill his agreements, he also needs to get off his backside and on a bike, buses or taxi's to actually look for a job, its no good saying you will take the first one you get if you are waiting for it to land in your lap.

Typical again focusing on the fact that another friend had a problem getting up at 7am and not the REASON why he had a problem with it.

Stop treating this as a benefit bashing thread, that friend was given £20 a week to live on and used to spend his free time going around on bike even 14 miles away to find work and handed his cv in to all local shops but had SEVERE DEPRESSION because the treatment the jobcentre gave him losing his forms and being rude to him that I had to be there so he didnt self harm, he had NO PROBLEM working a job that started early, in fact his former job was a cleaner for a pub that he had to get up around 5am and he was always early but when he was laid off he still kept a brave face until they lost his forms, and were rude to him such as saying if they didnt have form it was because he was lying and didnt hand it in, he wrote a complaint by recorded delivery and they refused to sign for it, eventually a few months later a family member took him in and a day later he had a job and 6 years later he still works for same company.

So dont be nasty and just focus on the negatives to justify benefit bashing

Are you just being rude or something, my friend who is having problems now lives in the middle of nowhere in a area so small there is no supermarkets, its not a case of walking or getting a taxi as WHERE WOULD HE GO.

Disgusting how people pick what they want out of things these days to find a reason to criticise.

Abbafan1972

Oh here we go.......

Viberduo

iammumtoone wrote: »

I still can't see why he can't apply for 8 jobs per week? these can be any jobs, you have just said that he is prepared to move so if he only finds two in his local area one week he can make up the rest by applying for somewhere he is willing to move to.

The situation with his parents doesn't sound very nice for him, I can kind of see why they wake him up at 8, they don't want him to lay in all morning because he isn't working but then on the other hand are not helping him find work by refusing internet access.

Does he not have any friends whose internet he could use or maybe his brother would let him use his?

How far away is the nearest library? can he not travel by bus there twice a week to use the internet? sounds to me like it would do him good to get out of the house, if his parents are like that!

I dont know everything but looking at his area on the map, he literally lives in the middle of nowhere, I dont think people realise how remote parts of the North of Scotland are, so even though a employer may only be 30 miles away that may take 3 hours to get to on bus and about £15 single as no weekly tickets(its a small local firm) and if its a 9am start there is no way of getting there for that start.

I can only go by what he tells me but as I say he is willing to do things to the point on the rare occasions I see him online he may be doing jobsearch for 3 hours a time to make up for lack of other times.

I have no idea of what jobs he actually applies for though he keeps saying gardening but I assume from his comments he is trying further afield but doesnt even get a response.

GwylimT

He would go to the nearest town thats what, what is he going to do when he does get a job, say "oh sorry, I live in the middle of nowhere so I can't get there", I'm obviously benefit bashing, I used to spend my days benefit bashing myself when I was on JSA, loved doing that.