Nice People Thread Number 10 -the official residence of Nice People

lostinrates

I like that worm turned website pn. Full of little posh alerts . Including a clock on sale which I just bought this week cheaper

silvercar

michaels wrote: »

I think dieting every day definitely results in lowered metabolism, based on the fact that I eat about a zillion calories a day, do no exercise and yet am not overweight on the BMI metric (although of course that is because I have no muscle tone at all which counterbalances the fatty deposits I carry) so basically my body must somehow be dealing with all those calories whereas PN and LIR seem to survice on about quarter as many.

I also question whether the extra longeveity these fasting diets bring is worth it - if you extend your life by 2/7ths but spend 2/7ths of every week feeling miserable, weak and hungry just what is the point?

But you have a busy lifestyle. Your commuting must have some walking at either end and at changes, you run round after the little ones etc I read somewhere that doing some sort of exercise every hour for 2 minutes was as good as a proper workout - it kept your metabolism at a higher level throughout the day, so burned more calories.

lostinrates

silvercar wrote: »

But you have a busy lifestyle. Your commuting must have some walking at either end and at changes, you run round after the little ones etc I read somewhere that doing some sort of exercise every hour for 2 minutes was as good as a proper workout - it kept your metabolism at a higher level throughout the day, so burned more calories.

Activity is a big factor, but also....just people are differently efficient.

Its really fascinating that this is so contentious In people still, and amall animal veterinary science when its pretty accepted in large animal vet science.

tomterm8

michaels wrote: »

I also question whether the extra longeveity these fasting diets bring is worth it - if you extend your life by 2/7ths but spend 2/7ths of every week feeling miserable, weak and hungry just what is the point?

Well, firstly beyond the obvious benefits of weight loss that applies to any diet I don't think there really are any longevity benefits. I've never seen any actual scientific evidence of it in humans , beyond conjecture.

I also do think that if it was the case that you were miserable for 2 days a week people would soon give up. What most people report is that they find the first month difficult, and then actually begin to enjoy - or at least not mind - the fast days.

BTW, I've got a perfectly normal metabolism, I'm just a lazy !!!!!! who likes too many crisps.

CKhalvashi

lostinrates wrote: »

Activity is a big factor, but also....just people are differently efficient.

Its really fascinating that this is so contentious In people still, and amall animal veterinary science when its pretty accepted in large animal vet science.

I've put on weight last year (and not the good kind), but at the same time I was eating more, to have the energy to be able to work, and last year I only worked around 2500 hours. I am quite fit IMO.

I do have a love for pizza, he says, scoffing a pizza in the office....

I'm going to try to get it off again, but no promises!

ukmaggie45

Hi there PN, been trying to keep up with the thread which takes ages! But made note of this earlier as thought you might be interested in our kitchen decision making stuff... Of course you may still disagree, and if you have time I'd be interested in your further take on the situation.

But currently it is actually working for us, and we've done a couple of family Christmas stuff things in here - though with 2 vegetarians and the rest of us carnivores it's been a bit hit and miss in some ways as the diner part of the kitchen/diner doesn't really have enuff space for up to 8 adults, 1 babe and 2 rampagious three year old twin boys! :rotfl: :eek: :rotfl:

PasturesNew wrote: »

At the risk of putting my foot in it, which is my specialty .... I'd like to know what sort of thinking makes somebody plonk the hob slap bang in the middle of a thoroughly useful and useable space.

Oven is underneath hob, and both are off the "pathway" through kitchen to one back bi-fold door. We knew about twin boys on way when we started the whole reno, so we did our best to factor in safety for them. Have 2 bi-fold doors to garden on back of house (other on living room), so we reckoned small boys would be running through them, and round one way and then t'other. They haven't been here yet since able to walk/run when been warm enough to have both doors open at same time, it will be mayhem when that happens I'm sure! :rotfl:

PasturesNew wrote: »

If I bought a house with the hob there I'd have to move it to another area, say behind, against the wall..... so I could use the big island for loads of exciting things .... like hobbies, tax returns, sorting out paperwork, coffee with friends (bit of a joke that I'd ever [a] have one have one round) .....

We do all your exciting stuff on the table the other side of the hob. Or in the living room. Actually the tax returns and paperwork gets done in the living room as that's where we have 2 IKEA tables (this I think, but with oak colour top) side by side along almost a whole wall to hold 2 computers, 2 printers, and a pile of carp like the Xmas deccies that need mending, piles of mail needs dealing with, a tape measure so I can check my measurements before ordering clothes online etc etc. Plus we each have one of these drawer units for pencils, pens, printer ink, random papers, etc.

The hob is there so OH can cook and talk to the people (sometimes the Twins or the Babe) sitting at the table directly in front of him. Though Babe still has his own chair with attached table/tray at the mo.

Sink is under the window for good view of garden and birds while washing up. We do have a dishwasher, but we also have a lot of china that came from my family that is too delicate to go through dishwasher, so it all gets handwashed. Plus sometimes it doesn't seem worth the bother of filling dishwasher (there's only 2 of us most of the time) so it makes more sense to just hand wash and watch the birds, especially when the woodpecker comes down to feed.

PasturesNew wrote: »

I see that hob and I think [1] wasted that big useful space [2] bet that makes the stink/steam spread more easily [3] Blimey, wonder how long it'd be before I ended up setting fire to something or burning something that skidded onto the hob when it was hot.

OK, I think I answered [1] already?

[2] We have a carbon filtered horribly expensive fan thing over the hob, it deals with smell very well. Though we are reaching the time when I need to look into getting new filters - they can be washed in dishwasher, but a limited number of times. If we produce an awful lot of steam (only time it's happened so far is when cooking Xmas dinner for lotsa people) we just open the bi-fold door, though we do have openable top windows above sink too.

[3] "Blimey, wonder how long it'd be before I ended up setting fire to something or burning something that skidded onto the hob when it was hot"

It's an induction hob, so it doesn't get hot. Yes, it will get warm when the pans on it get hot, but I really don't think it would be possible to set fire to anything on it... I guess a chip pan unattended might catch, or a frying pan, but we barely use those as I'm not supposed to eat high fat food. But the hob itself doesn't get hot - another safety thing for the GrandKids (looking ahead to when they're old enough to stay with us alone).

Not sure if I've answered well enough? It's been fun thinking back to our reasoning, even if I haven't put it very well - brain fog rules on details!

PasturesNew

ukmaggie45 wrote: »

We do all your exciting stuff on the table the other side of the hob. Or in the living room. Actually the tax returns and paperwork gets done in the living room as that's where we have 2 IKEA tables (this I think, but with oak colour top) side by side along almost a whole wall to hold 2 computers, 2 printers, and a pile of carp like the Xmas deccies that need mending, piles of mail needs dealing with, a tape measure so I can check my measurements before ordering clothes online etc etc. Plus we each have one of these drawer units for pencils, pens, printer ink, random papers, etc.

Ah, I've never had a table - and probably won't. So any breakfast bar area would be doubling up as my table, that's why I like the idea of one so much. There are times when you want a table to spread out - and for me that'd be the breakfast bar, without having to buy a table.

I might end up getting one of those £30 folding tables .... if I ever did need a table.... but I am unlikely to ever need one.

ukmaggie45 wrote: »

The hob is there so OH can cook and talk to the people (sometimes the Twins or the Babe) sitting at the table directly in front of him. Though Babe still has his own chair with attached table/tray at the mo.

I've never got anybody to speak to if I'm cooking. It's just me.

ukmaggie45 wrote: »

Sink is under the window for good view of garden and birds while washing up.

Now, there's another question .... I never look up when washing up. I'd rather have a window above a worktop/prep area as you're more likely to be standing/waiting to take something out of the oven, or mixing, or kneading .... the type of activities where you've got time to stand and stare.

ukmaggie45 wrote: »

[2] We have a carbon filtered horribly expensive fan thing over the hob, it deals with smell very well. Though we are reaching the time when I need to look into getting new filters - they can be washed in dishwasher, but a limited number of times. If we produce an awful lot of steam (only time it's happened so far is when cooking Xmas dinner for lotsa people) we just open the bi-fold door, though we do have openable top windows above sink too.

I've never had any form of fan thing, so no experience of how good they are. If I cook cabbage ... my whole room smells of cabbage (including any washing I have drying) ...... no posh fans here

ukmaggie45 wrote: »

[3] "Blimey, wonder how long it'd be before I ended up setting fire to something or burning something that skidded onto the hob when it was hot"

It's an induction hob, so it doesn't get hot. Yes, it will get warm when the pans on it get hot, but I really don't think it would be possible to set fire to anything on it...

I had no idea some hobs didn't get hot. Never seen one of those.

So above has cleared up some things then......

Doozergirl

I'm finding it hard to maintain enthusiasm to finish a huge quote for someone who clearly doesn't want it. I tried to push H into telling them that we don't email quotations to new customers because as a rule, we don't, especially when they are local. Upshot was that the 'customer' definitely wants it emailed.

Bit !!!!ed off, truth be known. Clearly people have choice in a marketplace, but if I can spend hours working on something, the least people can do is spend an hour with me going through it. Rant over.

chewmylegoff

Doozergirl wrote: »

I'm finding it hard to maintain enthusiasm to finish a huge quote for someone who clearly doesn't want it. I tried to push H into telling them that we don't email quotations to new customers because as a rule, we don't, especially when they are local. Upshot was that the 'customer' definitely wants it emailed.

Bit !!!!ed off, truth be known. Clearly people have choice in a marketplace, but if I can spend hours working on something, the least people can do is spend an hour with me going through it. Rant over.

My old boss tells a brilliant story about an exchange of solicitors correspondence which ended with one solicitor forming his hand into "the bird" sticking it flush with a piece of headed paper, drawing around it and then faxing it to his opposite number. I've no idea if it really happened but you could scan something similar in and email it to your "client" for a laugh...

PasturesNew

Doozergirl wrote: »

I'm finding it hard to maintain enthusiasm to finish a huge quote for someone who clearly doesn't want it. I tried to push H into telling them that we don't email quotations to new customers because as a rule, we don't, especially when they are local. Upshot was that the 'customer' definitely wants it emailed.

Bit !!!!ed off, truth be known. Clearly people have choice in a marketplace, but if I can spend hours working on something, the least people can do is spend an hour with me going through it. Rant over.

Thought you'd have built a spreadsheet for that.... quotes can't be that different from each other ... once you've 10 or so templates built bob's your uncle.