What happened to rewarding hard workers- Autumn Statement

Slightly_Squiffy

I earn a touch over minimum wage, but I also work a minimum of 60 hours a week. If anyone dared tell me I don't work hard for my living I would punch them in the throat. I would LOVE to get back into an office job but I would earn less to do so, because I would be working less hours. Not to mention the fact that I would probably never get an office job as having not been in an office environment in several years I would be virtually unemployable. I would LOVE to undertake a traineeship but I'm too old.

I agree with you that I really dislike !!!!less people who see benefits as a way of life. But a good percentage of benefit claimants are actually gainfully employed. The probably is the fact that minimum wage is so low and that the government is allowing things like 0 hours contracts to not only be legal, but commonplace just so they can fudge the unemployment figures. Unemployment rates are falling and UNDERemployment is rising. Unfortunately a good proportion of the voting population is on minimum wage or a low income so to penalise them for 'not working hard enough' will just ensure that particular party is never voted in. It's the squeezed middle who have it the hardest. Those who earn decent enough wages to not qualify for any help and then are reamed with unsubsidised living costs (not saying they should be subsidised) that make them worse off sometimes than their benefit claiming neighbours.

lisyloo

If everyone was able to do the £75k job then it wouldn't be £75K !!!!!

Pay levels are nothing to do with effort - they are related to the scarcity of the skill.

wotsthat

grizzly1911 wrote: »

You seem to have problems emanating from this affordable housing near you.

If it causes so much angst help the economy and move.

Yeah not thought of that:)

In a few years I'm going to sell my house and second home and whatever I raise I'm going to buy a house in an area where there are no 'affordable' homes and the houses are so expensive that they'll be beyond any HB limit. Groin thrusts all round!

cavework

So when all these lazy dregs of humanity end up applying and getting jobs valued at £75k per anum by their 'hard work and aims to 'better' themselves. what are you Mr 75k per anum, (sit behind a desk and point to those lesser mortals who keep you in a job and probably work for you) ,going to do when your bins are not emptied , your Gran has no carers and OHH NOOO you have to clean your own house.
And maybe one day when your job is only worth 20k a year and the young have bayed at your heels and have overtaken you in the job market and kicked you out , perhaps you will remember the disdain you held for the people on the NMW who are now wiping your ar** as you end your years in a care home (posh or not)

grizzly1911

"It pays to be nice to the people you meet on the way up, for they are the same people you meet on the way down."

Tahlullah

Malcindebt, just remember that if everyone in the country was earning the same as you or above, you wouldn't be able to sit in superior judgement over others, because you would be one of the scrounging lower class. There is always someone better off than you. The best you can hope for is that those above you aren't missing the compassion and moral compass that you have so obviously lost.

Loughton_Monkey

Linton wrote: »

So you believe engineers who design gearboxes are in the top 0.3% (or even the top 3%) of earners in this country??

Never said that at all!!!!!!!!

Just offered, off the top of my head, that only about 3 or 4 could design a gearbox. I could name another 50 really specialist jobs [defense lawyer in the high court, stunt man, actuary, heart surgeon.....], which would make up to 200 out of a thousand 'specialist' jobs that others couldn't do [unless having been trained of course].

0.3% of the working population is >75,000 people.

What's wrong with that?

calicocat

malcindebt wrote: »

I'm sick of hearing the whinging coming from the lower dregs of society about how little income they have to live on. If they weren't so thick or lazy then they might be able to afford the better things in life without the taxpayer having to bail them out.

What about the real hardworkers, those with incomes of £75k+? Where is our reward for not being a burden on the rest of society.

Yet again the tax allowance is increasing, yet again the thick/lazy/!!!!less will get to keep more of their earnings AND be given an income in benefits paid for by hardworking people like me.

It is not possible for these people on NMW or just above to be classed as hardworking. If they were hardworking they would be earning decent amounts of money.

Anyone on such salaries, less than the national average, are on such low rates because they don't deserve to be earning any more. That to me indicates that they are lazy, thick, useless and in most cases a combination of all 3. They are nothing but the dregs of society.

Why then, when this Government talks about rewarding the hardworking, are these lazy barstewards the only ones who seem to be rewarded.

That is the problem with this country, we reward failure.

Let's hope you never get ill and have to be looked after by any of these lazy thick idiots you seem to hate so much.....oh hang on I forgot useless.


On some level I actually feel sorry for you.

flitter

malcindebt wrote: »

I'm sick of hearing the whinging coming from the lower dregs of society about how little income they have to live on. If they weren't so thick or lazy then they might be able to afford the better things in life without the taxpayer having to bail them out.

What about the real hardworkers, those with incomes of £75k+? Where is our reward for not being a burden on the rest of society.

Yet again the tax allowance is increasing, yet again the thick/lazy/!!!!less will get to keep more of their earnings AND be given an income in benefits paid for by hardworking people like me.

It is not possible for these people on NMW or just above to be classed as hardworking. If they were hardworking they would be earning decent amounts of money.

Anyone on such salaries, less than the national average, are on such low rates because they don't deserve to be earning any more. That to me indicates that they are lazy, thick, useless and in most cases a combination of all 3. They are nothing but the dregs of society.

Why then, when this Government talks about rewarding the hardworking, are these lazy barstewards the only ones who seem to be rewarded.

That is the problem with this country, we reward failure.

Tell me how many hours a week do you work for your £75k?

My husband works 60 hours a week doing security in a government workplace. He earns just under £21k a year. With our family circumstances we would actually be marginally better off on the dole, but we both dislike the idea of 'scrounging' when work is available and doable.

Working 60 hours a week, every week, I don't think you can call him lazy, and as a person with full professional qualifications I don't think you can call him stupid. It's unfortunate that he can no longer find work doing what he is qualified in, but he certainly isn't useless.

Personally I think the ones who are prepared to go out and get their hands dirty should be rewarded, and remember if you end up in hospital the nurses looking after you will be some of those thick/lazy/useless people, when you have your boiler checked each year the person who comes will also probably be one of them. Lets hope they are not so thick/lazy/useless after all, you could be putting your life in their hands.

The thing you need to remember about averages is that very high and very low figures distort the outcome, so although most people may be earning minimum wage, people like you who earn £75k a year are pulling the average figure up, meaning that the majority of the workforce may end up earning under the 'national average'.

Edit: sorry Calicocat, I didn't get to your post the OP made me so angry so I didn't notice you already mentioned nurses earning very little until mine was posted

Prothet_of_Doom

mac2008 wrote: »

I'll go for top 5% at least, for a chartered engineer (mean £68k, 90th percentile £105k in 2010).

Sources:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_in_the_United_Kingdom#Percentile_points_for_income_of_individuals_before_tax

http://targetjobs.co.uk/career-sectors/engineering/284465-engineering-salary-round-up-from-graduate-to-chartered-engineer

That is BULLcrappola. Typical Chartered Engineers salary is more like £40K to £ 50K