What happened to rewarding hard workers- Autumn Statement

Prothet_of_Doom

My previous post has been deleted, but lets just say, some people are luckier than others. The OP's VERY first post on MSE detailed his debts, and in 7 years his has seen his income job massively if this outburst is to be believed.

I have one question. Does your increase in earnings mean you are working 6 times harder ? Or have you had a bit of luck too? Hard work plus luck plus sensible informed risk taking perhaps ?

Please don't have me post deleted again.

corbyboy

If the OP thinks there is a direct correlation between level of salary and how hard you work then he obviously hasn't got a clue.

Minrich

Most people can do most jobs. There are very few that are done by purely gifted people . All jobs can be learned , its just whether you choose to learn to do them or are in a position to learn them .
Any job is important if you are being paid or unpaid , what you earn is not important , what is important is how you spend it . I have never been in debt apart from a mortgage and i have never spent all my income . I never earned more than £40k . I am financially better off than many who have earned well above my income , but they have spent their earnings differently . Many who earn more than me are in debt and worry about it , many have failed relationships caused by bad management of their incomes .
What i despise is those that are given money for doing absolutely nothing under our benefits system . Many of them them live better than those in work and this needs to change rapidly , not in dribs and drabs that are occuring at the moment .

coastline

Seriously if most people earned £75 grand a year they'd be over the moon..
I'd be taking that last bit of £30 grand and investing it in a pension plan before the taxman gets his 40%.
Retire by 55yo...well rewarded for hard work...better than the latest government announcement of 70 yo..:)

mac2008

Prothet_of_Doom wrote: »

My previous post has been deleted, but lets just say, some people are luckier than others. The OP's VERY first post on MSE detailed his debts, and in 7 years his has seen his income job massively if this outburst is to be believed.

I have one question. Does your increase in earnings mean you are working 6 times harder ? Or have you had a bit of luck too? Hard work plus luck plus sensible informed risk taking perhaps ?

Please don't have me post deleted again.

Quite. I'll suspend my belief this is just a simple troll for a second...

What befell you in 2007, not to be able to afford to repay £70pm from your utility debts? Was it laziness and stupidity?

I'm not even trying to be mean here - I'd genuinely like to know the story, as I suspect it will be some quite unfortunate convergence of circumstances that you have subsequently worked hard to remedy, over a protracted time scale whilst presumably receiving support in one way or another from people earning more than you at the time? If so, where does that leave your argument?

chewmylegoff

Just taking where I work as an anecdotal example- there are plenty of hard working people in the building. Some of them clean the toilets, some of them serve coffee / work in the canteen, some work in the post office, some are secretaries and paralegals (the people in all of these categories earn somewhere between NMW and £30k) and others are 'professional' staff earning anywhere from £40k to £500k). There are also some gloriously lazy and incompetent people who don't pull their weight in ALL of those categories.

Most jobs can be learned, that is true, but you need the opportunities to learn them - I earn more than £75k but my view is that is a result of a combination of a privileged start in life (being born in the right country and area and access to a good, private education system and other support from my parents), genetics, hard work and luck (including having the right managers who have helped my to develop my career - I have often needed a push as I'm not particularly ambitious).

There are other people I trained with who haven't done so well in salary terms but that isn't necessarily because they are not as hard working. Hard work is only one factor contributing towards earning potential. Just because someone doesn't earn much doesn't mean they aren't working hard. People on large salaries should be grateful that there are others prepared to do the support work, often working just as "hard" in return for fractions of the pay of the people they are supporting.

Linton

Loughton_Monkey wrote: »

An interesting and varied set of views on the same subject of low pay....

Surely it makes sense to everyone that there are at least a couple od 'dimensions' to this. It's not just about lazy or hardworking.

To start with, line up 1,000 working age people at random. Then test everyone for their ability to clean silver. I would guess at least 999 of them could. But ask how many can work a computer, then perhaps you're down to 700 of them. Now ask which of them can design a gearbox for a brand new design of car and you may be lucky to find 3 or 4 of them.....

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So you believe engineers who design gearboxes are in the top 0.3% (or even the top 3%) of earners in this country??

mac2008

Linton wrote: »

So you believe engineers who design gearboxes are in the top 0.3% (or even the top 3%) of earners in this country??

I'll go for top 5% at least, for a chartered engineer (mean £68k, 90th percentile £105k in 2010).

Sources:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_in_the_United_Kingdom#Percentile_points_for_income_of_individuals_before_tax

http://targetjobs.co.uk/career-sectors/engineering/284465-engineering-salary-round-up-from-graduate-to-chartered-engineer

wotsthat

malcindebt wrote: »

What happened to rewarding hard workers- Autumn Statement

Didn't you get the memo?

It's not enough to be hard working anymore. You've got to be hard working AND hard pressed now. Not exactly sure of the definitions but it seems to involve me paying more tax to fund the 'status' dog fetish that seems to afflict people in the affordable housing near me.

grizzly1911

wotsthat wrote: »

Didn't you get the memo?

It's not enough to be hard working anymore. You've got to be hard working AND hard pressed now. Not exactly sure of the definitions but it seems to involve me paying more tax to fund the 'status' dog fetish that seems to afflict people in the affordable housing near me.

You seem to have problems emanating from this affordable housing near you.

If it causes so much angst help the economy and move.