Received death threats at work - told to follow Grievance Procedure

Poppie68

makeyourdaddyproud wrote: »

True, but it will lend credence to your plight in any case.

Or it could make the op look like they are trying to incite a reaction and therefore could find herself on the other side of a grievence.

trollopscarletwoman

Poppie68 wrote: »

Or it could make the op look like they are trying to incite a reaction and therefore could find herself on the other side of a grievence.

Yes, but she's got `previous'.

In the case of a shopworker allegedly stealing all the employer has to do is show 'reasonable suspicion' as grounds for dismissal.

Not beyond all doubt.

I would say though-not a strategy without risk.

Op-are you in a union?

trollopscarletwoman

AP007 wrote: »

If someone has made a death threat why have you not reported it to the police?

Do you involve the police every time you happen to be threatened?

If you do you must live in a more civilised part of the kingdom than me.

NoNoDrama

No union...................

Denning.

trollopscarletwoman wrote: »

Do you involve the police every time you happen to be threatened?

If you do you must live in a more civilised part of the kingdom than me.

If someone makes a genuine threat of violence/death then yes. This is completely different to something said in the heat of an argument.

marybelle01

trollopscarletwoman wrote: »

Do you involve the police every time you happen to be threatened?

If you do you must live in a more civilised part of the kingdom than me.

I think a threat, and a death threat may be slightly different.

But the reality here is that the OP has no evidence or witnesses that there was any threat made; I am not sure what "having previous" means, but I doubt it means that the individual has a long and sordid history of being disciplined for bullying or threatening behaviour; and the OP seems to expect that their grievance is going nowhere because management will not uphold it - and without witnesses or evidence there is no particular reason why they should.

So I am sorry but if all that is the case, I don't really see an easy answer here. The OP has already put in a grievance, so they either withdraw it and give up, or they see it through and hope for the best (even if they don't expect it). I don't see any other options, and neither may be satisfactory - but without evidence I can't see anything else. They certainly can't demand that the other person is dismissed - even if the employer believes them, they have no right to demand a specific outcome.

Valli

NoNoDrama wrote: »

No union...................

There is a union. It's just that you're not a member.

As a minimum, given a serious threat made, I would be wanting to join a union for my own protection anyway. (Not from the death threat, but to protect my role in the event of 'issues' which may arise in the future!).

If it were me and my employer wasn't taking the threat seriously then I would be seriously considering informing the police.

In the meantime keep a written, dated record of any further incidents and look into joining the appropriate union.

NoNoDrama

The Grievance form gives the option as to "what i would like to see happen" so they do allow the option for me to suggest they be dismissed. Doesn't meet it would happen of course, it's long overdue though, said person is toxic for the workplace. I haven't submitted yet, I think I may hang back until they slip up again, which they will. They always do.

marybelle01

NoNoDrama wrote: »

The Grievance form gives the option as to "what i would like to see happen" so they do allow the option for me to suggest they be dismissed. Doesn't meet it would happen of course, it's long overdue though, said person is toxic for the workplace. I haven't submitted yet, I think I may hang back until they slip up again, which they will. They always do.

Don't ever suggest someone is dismissed! It makes you look vengeful, and without any evidence it can leave you open to allegations of bullying yourself - and it is all in writing! Leave an employer to decide the outcome. Stick to safe suggestions like not being threatened again.

trollopscarletwoman

Valli wrote: »

There is a union. It's just that you're not a member.

As a minimum, given a serious threat made, I would be wanting to join a union for my own protection anyway. (Not from the death threat, but to protect my role in the event of 'issues' which may arise in the future!).

If it were me and my employer wasn't taking the threat seriously then I would be seriously considering informing the police.

In the meantime keep a written, dated record of any further incidents and look into joining the appropriate union.

I agree.

It is worth being in a union if only for these type of issues.

Forget the strike days-there gone.

but on unfair dismissal, harassment, health and safety they still have a useful place.


On the police thing I had some anti-social behaviour aimed at my house. I reprimanded a young oik on my own property (throwing stones at my windows). The offenders mother came around with all sorts of threats including watching my back. She later called the police on me.

Thankfully the police didn't do anything to me but did nothing for me either.

I have no faith in them.