Sanction targets revealed

John1993_2

iammumtoone wrote: »

It is likely to happen more than once in a thousand meetings but you are also right that it is proabally not the main reason why most people are late, but why should those who it was, be tared with the same brush as those who it wasn't?

Pour encourager les autres.

Unemployed people's time is close to worthless. Job centre staff, whose wages us workers pay, should not ever twiddle their thumbs because a claimant failed to arrive on time. The first time a claimant is a minute late, it's right that they should be sanctioned. If they don't like it, so what?

AP007

John1993 wrote: »

Yes, of course.

Was that a serious question? In exactly the same way, if I interview someone for a job, they will likely be excluded for being late, but will just have to sit there patiently if a deal comes up when I was en-route to see them. It's one of the asymmetries of modern life, one that I've also had to accept when on the other side of the desk.

In other shocking modern practices, the desk junior gets sent for tea more often than the senior trader...

and its likely your job would be excluded from the people who wouldn't take you or who you work for seriously especially if they have come in their lunch break and cant wait. It works both ways there.

Or you have gone to the interview before your appointment at the Job Centre and some !!!! like you will make that person late at the JC - well done.

iammumtoone

I had an appointment at the JC one morning at 10am. I was there on time, the advisor walked in at 10.10 still wearing a coat went to get a drink chat a bit to colleagues sat down took her coat off, turned on computer, then called me.

She was not late because she was doing more important things, she was late because she was late into work. To be fair she did apologise to me, I didn't actually think badly of her I don't know why she was late she probably had a genuine reason.

AP007

John1993 wrote: »

Pour encourager les autres.

Unemployed people's time is close to worthless.

As is the life of many too

Chester666666

John1993 wrote: »

Pour encourager les autres.

Unemployed people's time is close to worthless. Job centre staff, whose wages us workers pay, should not ever twiddle their thumbs because a claimant failed to arrive on time. The first time a claimant is a minute late, it's right that they should be sanctioned. If they don't like it, so what?

Unemployed peoples time is just as valuable as anybody else's time

Morlock

I think John1993 is unemployed and spends all day smoking weed and trying to wind people up. He's certainly got the odious, little !!!!! persona down to a fine tee.

Podge52

Morlock wrote: »

I think John1993 is unemployed and spends all day smoking weed and trying to wind people up. He's certainly got the odious, little !!!!! persona down to a fine tee.

Or a troll.

Scrootum

Chester666666 wrote: »

Unemployed peoples time is just as valuable as anybody else's time

How can that be?

imatt

John1993 wrote: »

Well, for one thing it points out to them that it is not acceptable to be late. Can you really not see that it's not on to be late for meetings or interviews?

I really have no sympathy if someone turns up late, is sanctioned, and so goes cold or hungry. People need to learn that actions have consequences, yet posters on here seem to want to just ignore the rules, and still get free money. It beggars belief, this bizarre sense of entitlement.

As I've pointed out before, my first job in banking required me to be there at 06:40, ready to work. In the six years I was there, I was never late by so much as a second, and was never, ever off sick. If I could do that, every time, why can someone on the dole not show some respect for the system, and get in on time?

Then you truly are an idiot. A useful one at that. So someone turns up to their local JC after coming back from an interview that ran over the allotted time. A good sign perhaps as it shows rapport between interviewee and interviewer.


Rather than congratulate them for getting said interview, the adviser simply wishes to sanction them for being late. What should the jobseeker do? Not turn up to the interview because it is on the same day as their signing day? Or perhaps leave the interview prematurely? A great way to impress a potential employer that is!


In which case thy face yet more sanctioning if they fail to turn up to an interview of deliberately screw one up.


If it's not acceptable to be late, then it's equally unacceptable for JCP staff to keep jobseekers hanging around for up to half an hour even when turning up early. Suppose you as a jobseeker had an interview or appointment with a business mentor and was late due to JCP staff not attending to you for half an hour, despite being five minutes early. In your world, this would be acceptable, sure. But for most others, this could lead to a bad impression being made from the off, and indeed further sanctions due to failing to attend an interview.


It's a pity you don't think things through before putting finger to keyboard.

Chester666666

Scrootum wrote: »

How can that be?

Because they are a person and their time is still valuable

Or do you think unemployed should be treated as lesser due to being unemployed?