Good policing or just invasive?

Joe_Horner

Captain_Flack. wrote: »

Its easy to cut and paste but not understand.

True enough. And, sadly, it seems even harder for Parliament to foresee the implications of some of their nifty new crowd pleasers. You'd almost think they actually believed the old "If you've done nothing wrong...." cliche :eek:

atrixblue.-MFR-.

Captain_Flack. wrote: »

Bad advice, I suggest you pay for another solicitor.

worked for me in the past.


its pretty good advice if your ever arrested stay shtum that way nothing can ever be taken down and used as evidence against you!.

bigjl

londonTiger wrote: »

i googled tsg, yes you're right it was exactly like that. not a ford transit but a different make and is much more cube shaped rear.

Police convinced himself I was either a thief or if I wasn't I had done something else wrong before he even spoke to me.

You mean like not being insured properly

bigjl

Blackbeard_of_Perranporth wrote: »

BoP will now interrupt for the hard of reading.


A totally innocent member of the public was jumped on by thuggish and brutal police offices for fiddling with his Sat Nav.


It has not reached the Daily Mail

Or

An incorrectly insured motorist with a chip on his shoulder was checked whilst sitting in his vehicle acting in a way that arroused the eagle eye of a passed Police Officer.

Said Officer made enquiries to assertain if this individual was in fact up to no good or innocent.

When said MOP spoke to the Officer in a manner which was not correct the Officer then requested ID which was produced.

The MOP was then allowed to carry on with his day.

He was lucky that the offences he had committed didn't come to light.

Despite getting away with these offences he then comes on a forum and moans about it and makes a spurious and resource wasting complaint to the IPCC

Yup, that seems more accurate

londonTiger

bigjl wrote: »

Or

An incorrectly insured motorist with a chip on his shoulder was checked whilst sitting in his vehicle acting in a way that arroused the eagle eye of a passed Police Officer.

Said Officer made enquiries to assertain if this individual was in fact up to no good or innocent.

When said MOP spoke to the Officer in a manner which was not correct the Officer then requested ID which was produced.

The MOP was then allowed to carry on with his day.

He was lucky that the offences he had committed didn't come to light.

Despite getting away with these offences he then comes on a forum and moans about it and makes a spurious and resource wasting complaint to the IPCC

Yup, that seems more accurate

eeerrmm what offences dipshit? officer came out wtih an attitude problem with accusatory tone which caused MOP to react defensively.

gozaimasu

Where is the best place to find out what your rights are when the police stop you in a vehicle?

I think that questioning the police about their intentions is not always about "having an attitude" or being dodgy - it's about ensuring that your rights are unheld as a citizen.

I think that you should be able to get their badge numbers on request without problems or them thinking you have an attitude problem, but I suspect most of them would just make life hell for you if you did.

Lone females stopped late at night should be able to refuse to exit their vehicles on the grounds that they do not feel safe doing so. What happens then? Should they call 999? 111?

I've never been stopped by the police, but if I am, I want to know exactly what they are entitled to do under the law, and what I am entitled to ask them i.e. why are they stopping me, why do they need to know where I am going, etc

I don't carry my licence with me anyway, so I wouldn't be able to provide them with ID.

londonTiger

gozaimasu wrote: »

I've never been stopped by the police, but if I am, I want to know exactly what I they are entitled to do under the law, and what I am entitled to ask them i.e. why are they stopping me, why do they need to know where I am going, etc

This was the first time I was stopped like this (been stopped in the past for these insurance checks where they actually check to see the driver is named on the policy, not just simple reg checks to see if cars are insured).

I think they stopped raking in fine revenue from just outright reg checks. So now they're probing further.

Anyway.. when you have police coming up to you in an accusatory manner all "knowledge" goes out of the window unless you deal with police in a routine basis. The police won't really let you google information on how to deal with police encounters- quite rightly so because it could be used by real criminals to buy time.

Being stopped so aggressively can be a startling experience and you can lose your cool. You're outnumbered, you temporarily lose your freedom and you respond like a caged animal [psychologically speaking]

Case in point. If I was a police and someone innocently put their hands in their pocket. I could get a colleage of mine to run up to that person, block their paths and say "what have you got in your hands?!?! what are you hiding? you look suspicious!" chances are the innocent passer by will react nervously because they're in a threatened position. Even if they've never done an illegal thing in their life.

Then ofcourse the passer by acts "nervously" and that's grounds to investigate them, ask for ID.

Which is what happened to me effectively.

Jamie_Carter

londonTiger wrote: »

yes it was one of these.

I am pretty damn sure the police officers aproach was a lot stronger than what suspicion he had to go on. Knocking on my window asking what was I doing just then, it's unprofessional. I've been stopped before. The best thing to do would be to calmly and politely say "I'm doing a routine check to see if you are the owner of the vehicle, are you the registered owner and do you have your license?" He came in all guns blaming rushed out with backup and knocked on my window and question me in an accusatory tone.

I have made a complaint with the IPCC about this.

You have no way of knowing that.

You don't know what other crimes may have been committed in the area. You don't know if you fit the description of someone they are looking for.

Jamie_Carter

londonTiger wrote: »

I've been a victim of a crime several times. Nothing was ever done about it. Reported it and jack !!!! happened. I once went to the police station to file a report on threats made against me but someone who lives down the road. Apparantly someone saying "i'm gonna pay you a visit" after a threatening altercation and then sending his mates round to park outside my house and stare at me is not considered a crime so they cannot act on that.

btw, tell a police officer "I'm gonna pay you a visit", find out where they live and then send your mates round to stalk them for 5 minutes and see what they do. Double standards.

To start with, you have no way of knowing what was done about the crimes you reported. They often won't tell you what they have done for legal reasons, or because of part of an on going investigation.

If they are refusing to listen to you, then that is a different matter.

Unfortunately the police are massively under resourced, and already were before cut backs began. So rather than blaming the police who usually do the best they can with the resources they have, then lobby your MP, as it is the government who instigated the cuts.

londonTiger wrote: »

I have zero hope for the police. The only interaction I ever see with police these days is speed traps and revenue generation for traffic.

Don't start all that rubbish. Speeding is a major factor in most road deaths, and fines are supposed to be a deterrent to put people off speeding.

londonTiger wrote: »

I don't think the police officer was concerned at all about me possibly stealing the car. I think I may have looked like I was unfamiliar in the car. So he jumped out thinking I'm a relative of the owner possibily about to go on a drive when I'm not insured on it. So decided to pounce. It was 6pm on a busy residential street that has a lot of rush hour traffic. Not somewhere where you would expect someone to burgle a car.

You are making a lot of assumptions again.

You would stand out far less stealing a car in a busy road, when using the keys, than you would in a quiet back street.

Jamie_Carter

SLITHER99 wrote: »

Really? Hmm, in my lifetime, I've had six individual occasions where my vehicle was targeted. Three times the actual car was stolen, three times something was stolen from the car (radio on two occasions, a satnav I stupidly left on the seat on another occasion).

Every occasion was during the dead of night with no sod around. I happen to think if I was going to do some vehicle theft, I'd rather there be nobody around to identify me or wonder why I'm opening my car up with a brick.

Most cars are stolen using the keys these days, after they have been stolen previously.